Whats your favourite control to the top

Fin · 06-13-2011, 08:05 PM

There are a million ways to do it, but what is your personal favourite way to control a card from the middle of the pack to the top? Of course the choice varies depending on the context but in general what is your favourite method?

I'm pretty sure I don't know of all the good ones yet so it would be helpful to hear what you guys use regularly. At the moment I mainly use switches and a great convince and control cull rather than going for a pass, since I have not put in enough time yet on my passes. I'm also working on Chris Brown's venus trap and some variations on it because I think it is very strong when done well. What do you think?

Fin

Albert · 06-13-2011, 10:50 PM

I guess one of my personal favourites is the DL. There's also another method, but the name of the method gives away the secret, so I guess I can't say it out in public. Of course, depending on the context of the trick and situation the way I control the cards differ, but I just usually use simple shuffling to control it if I'm performing for laymen. They don't know better

TheMisdirectingHand · 06-14-2011, 01:58 AM

Usually for effects where you don't get to see the card, I would just use a Herrmann or Turnover Pass. Otherwise, Blind Square's Brother seems to work just fine.

Kieran Oloughlin · 06-14-2011, 09:35 AM

Repulse control

MarkoViner · 06-14-2011, 09:59 AM

I use my variation on the Daniel Garcia - "Ego slip"
EDIT : I Also use a control to the bottom I invented, which I call the "Beast control".

la0o9 · 06-14-2011, 10:57 AM

i'd say my favorite is a version of palming and slapping the card on top( don't know it's name, nor if it's been done before, i thought of a way and simply do it naturally, so i use it alot)

TommySteal · 06-14-2011, 08:08 PM

Good question - worthy of a video response

Guys, feel free to criticize.
-Tom

TheMisdirectingHand · 06-14-2011, 08:57 PM

I loved it! The switch from the second control had me amazed. The only criticism I could give is that the thread is about a top control...

Fin · 06-14-2011, 09:14 PM

Wooey! That was great Tommy. Lovely handling of the cards and made it look totally effortless. I'll be working on the second one you used.. The 1st time I saw it the p***ing move was almost totally invisible so I had to watch it again very closely to work it out. A layman wouldn't have a chance! Really nice!

Ps. What cards were you using there? Are they D&D's?

Cheers
Fin

mtsmartins · 06-14-2011, 09:34 PM

True, depends of the situation..
But one that i like is spread pass...

TommySteal · 06-14-2011, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMisdirectingHand

I loved it! The switch from the second control had me amazed. The only criticism I could give is that the thread a top control...

Cool, thanks for watching David. I mean this is really a vid for magicians and although I have put this on my youtube channel, I stated that this is not a performance, more of a demo. I need to apply these to a routine.

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Originally Posted by Fin

Wooey! That was great Tommy. Lovely handling of the cards and made it look totally effortless. I'll be working on the second one you used.. The 1st time I saw it the p***ing move was almost totally invisible so I had to watch it again very closely to work it out. A layman wouldn't have a chance! Really nice!

Ps. What cards were you using there? Are they D&D's?

Cheers
Fin

Thanks for watching Fin. As I said in the vid it's more to do with the moves in that second control. I think it's a bit gratuitous because there are much simpler ways to achieve the same thing... but on the other hand, if one is feeling flashy...

The cards are STUDS, cheap and cheerful witth a nice finish and back design, a change from bikes

TheMisdirectingHand · 06-14-2011, 11:58 PM

Oh I just noticed how bad my grammar was. All fixed.

la0o9 · 06-15-2011, 02:15 AM

i liked the 2nd one a lot as well, it's the same as my style too

TommySteal · 06-15-2011, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by la0o9

i liked the 2nd one a lot as well, it's the same as my style too

Thanks for commenting. That's interesting you said that because the move came to me through my love of watching artists such as Akira Fuji and Ponta the Smith. Forgive my ignorance but maybe it's the asian style. I mean that magicians from the east have a very different style to magicians from the west.

la0o9 · 06-15-2011, 10:04 AM

i don't really think so( well, the "Asian style" part), i'm the only one who likes to use (temporary) palms for controls in my club when performing( actually, i'm the only one who could actually do it naturally). But it is true that Eastern people have a different style from those on the West( imo), cause Eastern people are entertained because they think it's interesting, the tricks must usually be swift and visual or it loses people's attention, and Western people are entertained genuinely because they want to be, so it doesn't really matter how long it takes them to watch the whole thing.

Again, the above are just what i conceive, they aren't necessarily true nor are they hard hitting facts.

Fin · 06-15-2011, 04:35 PM

Very interesting insights la0o9

Asad · 06-18-2011, 07:35 AM

The one I use most often is probably just a simple Hindu Shuffle control

Kieran Oloughlin · 06-18-2011, 09:54 AM

I balley see anyone use the hindu shuffle controls and flase shuffles now. THey are always using overhand shuffles. I should master the hindu shuffle ones and fool some of those yt magicians!

Mark · 06-18-2011, 10:24 AM

Lol, I have seen tons of people doing it. Kammagic does it too.

That being said, I don't think there is much magical about using it because you lose a card in a motion, the motion of shuffling. Laymen could easily guess that you controlled something, which is exactly what you don't want them to think. Sure it works fine if incorporated well, but yeah..

Asad · 06-18-2011, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark

Lol, I have seen tons of people doing it. Kammagic does it too.

That being said, I don't think there is much magical about using it because you lose a card in a motion, the motion of shuffling. Laymen could easily guess that you controlled something, which is exactly what you don't want them to think. Sure it works fine if incorporated well, but yeah..

It just depends on if you are trying to create the illusion that a card is in the center or the pack, or if it is lost and could be anywhere in the pack. If the shuffle looks natural enough I don't think there should be any reason for a laymen to suspect that a card has been controlled. In my experience most laymen are not familiar at all with the idea of a controlled shuffle.

06-13-2011, 08:05 PM	#1
Fin Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 530	Whats your favourite control to the top There are a million ways to do it, but what is your personal favourite way to control a card from the middle of the pack to the top? Of course the choice varies depending on the context but in general what is your favourite method? I'm pretty sure I don't know of all the good ones yet so it would be helpful to hear what you guys use regularly. At the moment I mainly use switches and a great convince and control cull rather than going for a pass, since I have not put in enough time yet on my passes. I'm also working on Chris Brown's venus trap and some variations on it because I think it is very strong when done well. What do you think? Fin

06-13-2011, 10:50 PM	#2
Albert DarkSleightZ Artist Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 671 Donor Score: 110	I guess one of my personal favourites is the DL. There's also another method, but the name of the method gives away the secret, so I guess I can't say it out in public. Of course, depending on the context of the trick and situation the way I control the cards differ, but I just usually use simple shuffling to control it if I'm performing for laymen. They don't know better __________________ "Bluffing is an important act to all strategies." - Lelouch Lamperouge

06-14-2011, 01:58 AM	#3
TheMisdirectingHand David Nguyen Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Rosemead, California Posts: 406	Usually for effects where you don't get to see the card, I would just use a Herrmann or Turnover Pass. Otherwise, Blind Square's Brother seems to work just fine. __________________ "There are three types of people in this world; •People who talk and never do: The Lower Class •People who talk and do at the same time: The Middle Class •People who do before they ever talk: The Upper Class A real man does not need to talk. We are the upper class." -Joseph Lau

06-14-2011, 10:57 AM	#6
la0o9 Move monkey atm Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Not where you'd want to go :P Posts: 747	i'd say my favorite is a version of palming and slapping the card on top( don't know it's name, nor if it's been done before, i thought of a way and simply do it naturally, so i use it alot) __________________ "Doubt isn't the same as saying people are bad, it simply means you actually care, 100% trust is nothing more than ignorance"~ Akiyama Shinichi- Liar Game "It's not the destination but the road to it that is worth the trip" "Be careful what you wish for... it might just come true"~ old saying "It's a small world, but only relatively" "Reality is not the world, it is the way humankind depicts the world, thus when you alter a person's way of seeing the world, you alter reality itself"

06-14-2011, 08:08 PM	#7
TommySteal Tom Join Date: May 2011 Location: Italy Posts: 274	Good question - worthy of a video response Guys, feel free to criticize. -Tom __________________ My cigar is not a symbol. It's only a cigar. - Sigmund Freud

06-14-2011, 09:35 AM	#4
Kieran Oloughlin Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 414	Repulse control

06-14-2011, 09:59 AM	#5
MarkoViner Join Date: May 2011 Location: Serbia,Novi sad Posts: 78	I use my variation on the Daniel Garcia - "Ego slip" EDIT : I Also use a control to the bottom I invented, which I call the "Beast control".

06-14-2011, 08:57 PM	#8
TheMisdirectingHand David Nguyen Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Rosemead, California Posts: 406	I loved it! The switch from the second control had me amazed. The only criticism I could give is that the thread is about a top control... __________________ "There are three types of people in this world; •People who talk and never do: The Lower Class •People who talk and do at the same time: The Middle Class •People who do before they ever talk: The Upper Class A real man does not need to talk. We are the upper class." -Joseph Lau

06-14-2011, 09:14 PM	#9
Fin Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 530	Wooey! That was great Tommy. Lovely handling of the cards and made it look totally effortless. I'll be working on the second one you used.. The 1st time I saw it the p***ing move was almost totally invisible so I had to watch it again very closely to work it out. A layman wouldn't have a chance! Really nice! Ps. What cards were you using there? Are they D&D's? Cheers Fin

06-14-2011, 09:34 PM	#10
mtsmartins Join Date: May 2011 Location: São Paulo - Brazil Posts: 10	True, depends of the situation.. But one that i like is spread pass...

06-14-2011, 11:58 PM	#12
TheMisdirectingHand David Nguyen Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Rosemead, California Posts: 406	Oh I just noticed how bad my grammar was. All fixed. __________________ "There are three types of people in this world; •People who talk and never do: The Lower Class •People who talk and do at the same time: The Middle Class •People who do before they ever talk: The Upper Class A real man does not need to talk. We are the upper class." -Joseph Lau

06-15-2011, 02:15 AM	#13
la0o9 Move monkey atm Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Not where you'd want to go :P Posts: 747	i liked the 2nd one a lot as well, it's the same as my style too __________________ "Doubt isn't the same as saying people are bad, it simply means you actually care, 100% trust is nothing more than ignorance"~ Akiyama Shinichi- Liar Game "It's not the destination but the road to it that is worth the trip" "Be careful what you wish for... it might just come true"~ old saying "It's a small world, but only relatively" "Reality is not the world, it is the way humankind depicts the world, thus when you alter a person's way of seeing the world, you alter reality itself"

06-15-2011, 10:04 AM	#15
la0o9 Move monkey atm Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Not where you'd want to go :P Posts: 747	i don't really think so( well, the "Asian style" part), i'm the only one who likes to use (temporary) palms for controls in my club when performing( actually, i'm the only one who could actually do it naturally). But it is true that Eastern people have a different style from those on the West( imo), cause Eastern people are entertained because they think it's interesting, the tricks must usually be swift and visual or it loses people's attention, and Western people are entertained genuinely because they want to be, so it doesn't really matter how long it takes them to watch the whole thing. Again, the above are just what i conceive, they aren't necessarily true nor are they hard hitting facts. __________________ "Doubt isn't the same as saying people are bad, it simply means you actually care, 100% trust is nothing more than ignorance"~ Akiyama Shinichi- Liar Game "It's not the destination but the road to it that is worth the trip" "Be careful what you wish for... it might just come true"~ old saying "It's a small world, but only relatively" "Reality is not the world, it is the way humankind depicts the world, thus when you alter a person's way of seeing the world, you alter reality itself"

06-15-2011, 04:35 PM	#16
Fin Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 530	Very interesting insights la0o9

06-18-2011, 07:35 AM	#17
Asad Phantom At the Card Table Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 27	The one I use most often is probably just a simple Hindu Shuffle control

06-18-2011, 09:54 AM	#18
Kieran Oloughlin Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 414	I balley see anyone use the hindu shuffle controls and flase shuffles now. THey are always using overhand shuffles. I should master the hindu shuffle ones and fool some of those yt magicians!

06-18-2011, 10:24 AM	#19
Mark Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 935	Lol, I have seen tons of people doing it. Kammagic does it too. That being said, I don't think there is much magical about using it because you lose a card in a motion, the motion of shuffling. Laymen could easily guess that you controlled something, which is exactly what you don't want them to think. Sure it works fine if incorporated well, but yeah..