Cardicians vs Cardists

Mark · 11-15-2010, 08:52 AM

Indeed.

I would compare cardistry to music at anytime. It's disrespectful to pirate and to share people's originals without having permission, but doing this could only be bad for the amount of money that is made with it because the actual art remains. Classics may actually be shared for free, without permission. Also, you may cover works as long as you give credits (in case of music that would be under fair use).

Unlike flourishing and any other kind of art, magic would be ruined the moment its methods would be exposed to the public.

In case of for instance Penn & Teller, the magic exposure actually turns the art of magic into entertainment with comedy instead: no secrets, yet hard to repeat yourself without a bit of practice. In that case it's similar to dancing, juggling, acting, painting, and indeed.. also to cardistry.

Anyhow, I'm obviously a magician (and a cardician). I enjoy watching cardistry though, but I think that 95% of all magic-performing cardists completely overdo the cardistry in the magic tricks they perform. Using magic in the art of cardistry is just to make actual skills look better, but there is a moment that when you do too much flourishing, that things won't look quite as good anymore or would be extremely difficult for the audience to follow which makes the magical part completely worthless. In that case I would suggest to just not merge any magic with the flourishing at all and to keep both arts completely seperated from each other.

TheCactusBoi · 11-15-2010, 04:28 PM

Mark...interesting

Thing is, i enjoy watching any type of magic, stage magic, coin magic, rubber band magic, and of course cards. I mainly perform card magic, and i am a card flourisher too. So im not sure what category i would fit into, i would prefer to say 'it's magic' to my spectators, but i love to flourish....

hmmm

~Sam

la0o9 · 01-23-2011, 01:54 AM

I think I'm mostly a "Cardician", I like to keep what i do to myself most of the time, but i think flourishing is a nice way to pass time when you're waiting, cause practicing magic outside the comfort of your home is suicidal and no sense in trying to perfect the ones that you have already perfected( of course, if you still need to improve it, it would be practicing and like i said, doing that outside of your home/room is exposure of the art). So i guess i'm both, but not that good at both yet.

11-15-2010, 04:28 PM	#2
TheCactusBoi Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1	Ooh eeerrr... Mark...interesting Thing is, i enjoy watching any type of magic, stage magic, coin magic, rubber band magic, and of course cards. I mainly perform card magic, and i am a card flourisher too. So im not sure what category i would fit into, i would prefer to say 'it's magic' to my spectators, but i love to flourish.... hmmm ~Sam

11-15-2010, 08:52 AM	#1
Mark Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 935	Indeed. I would compare cardistry to music at anytime. It's disrespectful to pirate and to share people's originals without having permission, but doing this could only be bad for the amount of money that is made with it because the actual art remains. Classics may actually be shared for free, without permission. Also, you may cover works as long as you give credits (in case of music that would be under fair use). Unlike flourishing and any other kind of art, magic would be ruined the moment its methods would be exposed to the public. In case of for instance Penn & Teller, the magic exposure actually turns the art of magic into entertainment with comedy instead: no secrets, yet hard to repeat yourself without a bit of practice. In that case it's similar to dancing, juggling, acting, painting, and indeed.. also to cardistry. Anyhow, I'm obviously a magician (and a cardician). I enjoy watching cardistry though, but I think that 95% of all magic-performing cardists completely overdo the cardistry in the magic tricks they perform. Using magic in the art of cardistry is just to make actual skills look better, but there is a moment that when you do too much flourishing, that things won't look quite as good anymore or would be extremely difficult for the audience to follow which makes the magical part completely worthless. In that case I would suggest to just not merge any magic with the flourishing at all and to keep both arts completely seperated from each other.

01-23-2011, 01:54 AM	#3
la0o9 Move monkey atm Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Not where you'd want to go :P Posts: 747	I think I'm mostly a "Cardician", I like to keep what i do to myself most of the time, but i think flourishing is a nice way to pass time when you're waiting, cause practicing magic outside the comfort of your home is suicidal and no sense in trying to perfect the ones that you have already perfected( of course, if you still need to improve it, it would be practicing and like i said, doing that outside of your home/room is exposure of the art). So i guess i'm both, but not that good at both yet.