MTL

KGaborMagic · 08-13-2011, 10:12 AM

I have an interesting question, Mark. The control in your trick Dyed is the MTL? Lots of people say that they're identical (even Eoghan, who knows how it's done), and it's true that the two controls have similarities, but the "shift" itself looks completely different. Is it a variation or is it the main sleight, and the sleight in 'MTL Control' is the variation? Or is it a completely different move? I'm really confused.

You could clarify the things.

-K. Gábor

Mark · 08-13-2011, 11:29 AM

Funny that you say so. 'MTL' stands for Motionless (MoTionLess). Everyone way overuses it in our comment sections by calling every seemingly motionless control 'MTL', for the fact that there is (almost) no visible motion rather than it being that specific control. The only actual 'MTL' was done in the 'MTL Control' video.

KGaborMagic · 08-13-2011, 11:53 AM

Interesting, because it really looks like they have some technical similarities

Have you got a name for that control in Dyed? I'm working on a control inspired by that, and I would like to credit you, when I'll upload it.

Mark · 08-13-2011, 01:01 PM

Sure, there are some similarities but there are some major differences too. That control I call the 'MSC' (can't tell you what it stands for though, nor has it been published). It can also be seen in here at 0:47 (not exactly but it comes a whole lot closer to the 'MSC' in 'Dyed').

KGaborMagic · 08-13-2011, 01:10 PM

Thanks. Yeah, I found that before, too, but I thought it's the MTL

Kieran Oloughlin · 08-15-2011, 09:16 AM

What I thought died used the mtl, they look the same

Mark · 08-15-2011, 09:19 AM

How the ... do they look the same? One is done with the deck held with the left hand under the deck, the other is with the deck held with the right hand over the deck. Those are opposites.

Kieran Oloughlin · 08-15-2011, 09:25 AM

??? Really? I did not see, I will look now

---------- Post added at 05:55 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:53 PM ----------

No that still look the same. WHAT AM I MISSING!

Mark · 08-15-2011, 09:35 AM

'nuf said.

Kieran Oloughlin · 08-15-2011, 10:48 AM

KGaborMagic · 08-15-2011, 10:49 AM

MSC uses a squaring motion, while MTL is done with the deck passed from the left hand to the right.

Mark · 08-15-2011, 10:57 AM

Not exactly but fair enough, yes.

The 'MSC' looks pretty much like a 'DPS' or 'Repulse Control', the deck being held by the right hand from above as I mentioned. The 'MTL' on the other hand (literally), is with the deck being held by the left hand from underneath. This means that, unlike at the 'MSC', the left hand can't move freely because.. well.. it's holding the deck.

Kieran Oloughlin · 08-16-2011, 08:24 AM

OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHH I understand now

08-13-2011, 10:12 AM	#1
KGaborMagic K. Gábor Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 229 Donor Score: 110	MTL I have an interesting question, Mark. The control in your trick Dyed is the MTL? Lots of people say that they're identical (even Eoghan, who knows how it's done), and it's true that the two controls have similarities, but the "shift" itself looks completely different. Is it a variation or is it the main sleight, and the sleight in 'MTL Control' is the variation? Or is it a completely different move? I'm really confused. You could clarify the things. -K. Gábor

08-13-2011, 11:29 AM	#2
Mark Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 935	Funny that you say so. 'MTL' stands for Motionless (MoTionLess). Everyone way overuses it in our comment sections by calling every seemingly motionless control 'MTL', for the fact that there is (almost) no visible motion rather than it being that specific control. The only actual 'MTL' was done in the 'MTL Control' video.

08-13-2011, 11:53 AM	#3
KGaborMagic K. Gábor Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 229 Donor Score: 110	Interesting, because it really looks like they have some technical similarities Have you got a name for that control in Dyed? I'm working on a control inspired by that, and I would like to credit you, when I'll upload it.

08-13-2011, 01:01 PM	#4
Mark Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 935	Sure, there are some similarities but there are some major differences too. That control I call the 'MSC' (can't tell you what it stands for though, nor has it been published). It can also be seen in here at 0:47 (not exactly but it comes a whole lot closer to the 'MSC' in 'Dyed').

08-13-2011, 01:10 PM	#5
KGaborMagic K. Gábor Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 229 Donor Score: 110	Thanks. Yeah, I found that before, too, but I thought it's the MTL

08-15-2011, 09:16 AM	#6
Kieran Oloughlin Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 414	What I thought died used the mtl, they look the same

08-15-2011, 09:19 AM	#7
Mark Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 935	How the ... do they look the same? One is done with the deck held with the left hand under the deck, the other is with the deck held with the right hand over the deck. Those are opposites.

08-15-2011, 09:25 AM	#8
Kieran Oloughlin Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 414	??? Really? I did not see, I will look now ---------- Post added at 05:55 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:53 PM ---------- No that still look the same. WHAT AM I MISSING!

08-15-2011, 09:35 AM	#9
Mark Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 935	'nuf said.

08-15-2011, 10:48 AM	#10
Kieran Oloughlin Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 414

08-15-2011, 10:49 AM	#11
KGaborMagic K. Gábor Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 229 Donor Score: 110	MSC uses a squaring motion, while MTL is done with the deck passed from the left hand to the right.

08-15-2011, 10:57 AM	#12
Mark Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 935	Not exactly but fair enough, yes. The 'MSC' looks pretty much like a 'DPS' or 'Repulse Control', the deck being held by the right hand from above as I mentioned. The 'MTL' on the other hand (literally), is with the deck being held by the left hand from underneath. This means that, unlike at the 'MSC', the left hand can't move freely because.. well.. it's holding the deck.

08-16-2011, 08:24 AM	#13
Kieran Oloughlin Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 414	OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHH I understand now