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Old 05-11-2011, 03:15 AM   #1
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There aren't any flashes. A flash is when you expose the method. These may not be perfect, but that's a different issue, and I'm not going to sit and nitpick with my magicians eye when these are both very nicely done.

That said, in a general sense I would advice against using both of these moves, as they are hard to justify on their own the same way you can easily justify a classic pass. Though there are some situations for which they are great (especially the turnover pass), just use caution. Make sure you have a very good reason for turning the deck.
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Old 05-11-2011, 03:38 AM   #2
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there are always some sort of reason you could make up for using the turnover pass( actually... all i use that for is to show that the bottom card isn't their card... after i controlled it to the bottom, so my words probably doesn't mean much). But i agree with you about the Herrman Shift, i myself only practice it for fun but don't use it( same way i do with the Erdnase 1 handed shift and the classic pass)
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