Hmmm Im a little confused

LittleLead · 01-27-2011, 11:07 PM

so I sent him a message back showing mark doing the slieght and this is what he said.

The move itself is not confusing. If the spectator gets confused that is the fault of the magician not presenting his effect correctly. I sell and teach my control. Plus I am a working professional. Mark is an amateur who can't do half the things he makes videos of. I have known mark several years he has never been able to prove himself. I would glady buy his effects but oddly none are available. I have never seen one live video of him performing anything. Until he can prove otherwise he appears to be a fraud. I know of no professionals that believe Mark is truly capable of the things he shows in his videos.

You claiming Mark can do somthing means absolutely nothing I'm afraid. If you were a well known trusted authority on magic than that would be different.

In this age of modern technology it would be a simple task for Mark to film himself performing on the street live for strangers. But he has never done such a thing. If Mark wants to be taken seriously then he needs to prove himself. So far he has not done this.

If you still claim Mark is legit I have two words for you. "PROVE IT!"

My response:

Right I forgot you have to be noticed in this community to be a magician. You cant just be some Jon Doe, you have to be someone that is highly respected. Why is that, you cant believe me? He has showed me revalations on many of his tricks and quite frankly they are pretty simple (most of the time)

Why do I need to be a well known trusted source? Im not lennart green or anything but im telling you he is legit.

"The move itself is not confusing. If the spectator gets confused that is the fault of the magician not presenting his effect correctly"

That is completley untrue, spectators are not dumb. If you put their card in the middle face up and it is no longer face up then that raises ALOT of suspicion regardless of how you present it my friend.

la0o9 · 01-27-2011, 11:21 PM

If the way the "Spring" and the "Sprink" work is the very same as Albert's "P-application"( i'm not sure what that stands for, but i could only think of one way you could use the repulse control to get the end result of Mark's video), than Kam's might be better. Then again, after watching the performance again, i think that Mark's is still cleaner.

Albert · 01-28-2011, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by la0o9

If the way the "Spring" and the "Sprink" work is the very same as Albert's "P-application"( i'm not sure what that stands for, but i could only think of one way you could use the repulse control to get the end result of Mark's video), than Kam's might be better. Then again, after watching the performance again, i think that Mark's is still cleaner.

That's interesting to hear

I would like to hear more. I do think that the Sprink control could have its uses sometimes, such as for a transposition of some kind or something. But other than that, it's nothing great. Just as Jonathan said, it's just another arsenal in your repertoire.

But seeing Jonathan's sprink, I figured out where the card went and how it was controlled to the top, although I can't completely state the method in how he got card in the position to spring it since you can see it flash a bit.
So the concept is similar, but different than mine. Mark's might be similar to mine since he knew exactly how my version was accomplished before I even mentioned the "p-application" since he knows all about the repulse.

Oh, and just to say, if you were thinking that the card was controlled to the top and then sprung, then that's wrong. Both Mark's and mine works in a way that the card is controlled to the top while the springing happens. But of course, that's assuming I REALLY know how Mark's works

la0o9 · 01-28-2011, 04:47 AM

i kinda understand how you could spring the card with the card in repulse position, but if the same thing is used with Mark's version, i can't imagine a way to do it, even if it's a "flashy" attempt

Albert · 01-28-2011, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by la0o9

i kinda understand how you could spring the card with the card in repulse position, but if the same thing is used with Mark's version, i can't imagine a way to do it, even if it's a "flashy" attempt

Oh the card isn't in the repulse position but rather the repulse is used to get it to the needed position

01-27-2011, 11:07 PM	#1
LittleLead The New Guy Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 28	so I sent him a message back showing mark doing the slieght and this is what he said. The move itself is not confusing. If the spectator gets confused that is the fault of the magician not presenting his effect correctly. I sell and teach my control. Plus I am a working professional. Mark is an amateur who can't do half the things he makes videos of. I have known mark several years he has never been able to prove himself. I would glady buy his effects but oddly none are available. I have never seen one live video of him performing anything. Until he can prove otherwise he appears to be a fraud. I know of no professionals that believe Mark is truly capable of the things he shows in his videos. You claiming Mark can do somthing means absolutely nothing I'm afraid. If you were a well known trusted authority on magic than that would be different. In this age of modern technology it would be a simple task for Mark to film himself performing on the street live for strangers. But he has never done such a thing. If Mark wants to be taken seriously then he needs to prove himself. So far he has not done this. If you still claim Mark is legit I have two words for you. "PROVE IT!" My response: Right I forgot you have to be noticed in this community to be a magician. You cant just be some Jon Doe, you have to be someone that is highly respected. Why is that, you cant believe me? He has showed me revalations on many of his tricks and quite frankly they are pretty simple (most of the time) Why do I need to be a well known trusted source? Im not lennart green or anything but im telling you he is legit. "The move itself is not confusing. If the spectator gets confused that is the fault of the magician not presenting his effect correctly" That is completley untrue, spectators are not dumb. If you put their card in the middle face up and it is no longer face up then that raises ALOT of suspicion regardless of how you present it my friend.

01-27-2011, 11:21 PM	#2
la0o9 Move monkey atm Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Not where you'd want to go :P Posts: 747	If the way the "Spring" and the "Sprink" work is the very same as Albert's "P-application"( i'm not sure what that stands for, but i could only think of one way you could use the repulse control to get the end result of Mark's video), than Kam's might be better. Then again, after watching the performance again, i think that Mark's is still cleaner.

01-28-2011, 04:47 AM	#4
la0o9 Move monkey atm Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Not where you'd want to go :P Posts: 747	i kinda understand how you could spring the card with the card in repulse position, but if the same thing is used with Mark's version, i can't imagine a way to do it, even if it's a "flashy" attempt