iVanish by Ben Seidman

TheMisdirectingHand · 02-09-2011, 06:08 AM

Ben Seidman is getting me very interested in coin magic.

la0o9 · 02-09-2011, 11:45 AM

This is one of the moves that i 1st learnt when i started playing with coins( 3 months ago). when i saw this and the Muscle pass and i swear to myself that i HAVE to know how to do them, now that i know... i'm going back to basics... nice performance man, no flashes and very good angle.

s13zeTheDay · 02-09-2011, 02:06 PM

I also recommend HERE by Ben Seidman. It's cheap yet great.

Fruglemonkey · 02-09-2011, 02:31 PM

Pulling the coin out of the eye is very good for small kids/squirmy people, especially after a vanish.

IE Retention, squeeze hand hard, point (With the hand that has the coin fingerpalmed), follow the arm up, and to the eye, produce.

If you know Wither vanish, it's a natural follow-on.

Also: Clean up your room!

la0o9 · 02-09-2011, 03:25 PM

Do you know where i could see a demo of "HERE"? cause on YT there's nothing of such...

Fruglemonkey · 02-09-2011, 05:50 PM

HERE looks pretty simple, just gave it a look. http://www.penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=2008

TheMisdirectingHand · 02-10-2011, 02:53 AM

Actually, that is not my room haha... It's just where the computer is.

Also, HERE by Ben Seidman is just a bit of an opener in my opinion. Though a good opener is a must for professionals, I just don't think it's that necessary.

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One more thing, I removed your second link, FrugleMonkey. There is no exposure allowed on this forum. I hope you understand.

Fruglemonkey · 02-10-2011, 03:37 AM

Sorry, I don't really understand. What's the definition of 'exposure', here? I see other people talking about how they have tutorials available and such, does that count as exposure?

I'm assuming that blatantly revealing an original technique/routine is considered exposure (For example, exposing one of Mark's routines), but what if the magician has posted a tutorial of their own trick? What if it's a tutorial of something commonly known, such as a muscle pass? Is it still exposure, then?

I thought my link wouldn't be counted as exposure, because, AFAIK, it's the original content of the youtube author.

Or is it that any links to tutorials/reveals are unallowed, here? I checked the rules, they're pretty vague on the issue.

Albert · 02-10-2011, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Fruglemonkey

Sorry, I don't really understand. What's the definition of 'exposure', here? I see other people talking about how they have tutorials available and such, does that count as exposure?

I'm assuming that blatantly revealing an original technique/routine is considered exposure (For example, exposing one of Mark's routines), but what if the magician has posted a tutorial of their own trick? What if it's a tutorial of something commonly known, such as a muscle pass? Is it still exposure, then?

I thought my link wouldn't be counted as exposure, because, AFAIK, it's the original content of the youtube author.

Or is it that any links to tutorials/reveals are unallowed, here? I checked the rules, they're pretty vague on the issue.

No exposure means (at least in this forum) to not provide any hints or direct revelations to how a certain trick or sleight is performed. This includes any type of exposure, such as words, urls, video tutorials, etc.

The reason is that even though the secret behind a trick or sleight may be obvious to a magician, this is a public forum. This means that non-magicians can just as well just come into this forum and get information out of here we don't want them to get. And we all know what Mark thinks about exposure

TheMisdirectingHand · 02-10-2011, 04:26 AM

I believe that it is exposure in general. I am not clear on this issue as well. I am sorry, but as vague as the rules are, I must abide by them. We could wait until Mark comes and clarifies. Exposure in my opinion on this case would be a video or text that explains how an effect or sleight is performed. Until Mark clarifies, your link will stay removed. I will have him see to this matter as soon as I can. Thank you for your patience.

s13zeTheDay · 02-10-2011, 04:56 AM

Just a quick comment on Here: he also goes over a great vanish where you can show both hands empty in a convincing manner, though I will say it's very similar to alchemy, just with no clothing requirements and the coin still is in your hands at the end.

Now on to a comment about coin magic in general: especially if you are just starting out, get your basics down pat first. I GUARANTEE you that if you sit down and take the time to master all of the basics and even a few time tested routines, you will be a better coin magician. THEN you can go and try to tackle stuff by ponta, shoot ogawa, curtis kam, etc. If you go the other way around, you will end up with sloppy fundamentals, which could hurt you in the long run. I'd especially recommend Bobo's Modern Coin Magic. It really has everything, even great versions of tricks that you would pay much more to learn from DVDs, like winged silver, misers dream, transpos, sleeving, you name it, it's in there.

TheMisdirectingHand · 02-10-2011, 05:11 AM

I've heard many good things about Bobo's Modern Coin Magic. The only problem is, I don't have the means to purchase it online or anywhere else, because I have very limited transportation...

la0o9 · 02-10-2011, 06:09 AM

i think the only way left is to buy from Amazon/ebay or read what you can from google books... they actually have a few good books there that you can read parts of for free before buying the whole thing.

02-09-2011, 06:08 AM	#1
TheMisdirectingHand David Nguyen Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Rosemead, California Posts: 406	iVanish by Ben Seidman Ben Seidman is getting me very interested in coin magic. __________________ "There are three types of people in this world; •People who talk and never do: The Lower Class •People who talk and do at the same time: The Middle Class •People who do before they ever talk: The Upper Class A real man does not need to talk. We are the upper class." -Joseph Lau

02-09-2011, 11:45 AM	#2
la0o9 Move monkey atm Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Not where you'd want to go :P Posts: 747	This is one of the moves that i 1st learnt when i started playing with coins( 3 months ago). when i saw this and the Muscle pass and i swear to myself that i HAVE to know how to do them, now that i know... i'm going back to basics... nice performance man, no flashes and very good angle. __________________ "Doubt isn't the same as saying people are bad, it simply means you actually care, 100% trust is nothing more than ignorance"~ Akiyama Shinichi- Liar Game "It's not the destination but the road to it that is worth the trip" "Be careful what you wish for... it might just come true"~ old saying "It's a small world, but only relatively" "Reality is not the world, it is the way humankind depicts the world, thus when you alter a person's way of seeing the world, you alter reality itself"

02-09-2011, 02:06 PM	#3
s13zeTheDay Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 150	I also recommend HERE by Ben Seidman. It's cheap yet great. __________________ What you do in this world is a matter of no consequence. The question is, what can you make people believe you have done. --Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, A Study In Scarlet

02-09-2011, 03:25 PM	#5
la0o9 Move monkey atm Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Not where you'd want to go :P Posts: 747	Do you know where i could see a demo of "HERE"? cause on YT there's nothing of such... __________________ "Doubt isn't the same as saying people are bad, it simply means you actually care, 100% trust is nothing more than ignorance"~ Akiyama Shinichi- Liar Game "It's not the destination but the road to it that is worth the trip" "Be careful what you wish for... it might just come true"~ old saying "It's a small world, but only relatively" "Reality is not the world, it is the way humankind depicts the world, thus when you alter a person's way of seeing the world, you alter reality itself"

02-10-2011, 02:53 AM	#7
TheMisdirectingHand David Nguyen Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Rosemead, California Posts: 406	Actually, that is not my room haha... It's just where the computer is. Also, HERE by Ben Seidman is just a bit of an opener in my opinion. Though a good opener is a must for professionals, I just don't think it's that necessary. --- One more thing, I removed your second link, FrugleMonkey. There is no exposure allowed on this forum. I hope you understand. __________________ "There are three types of people in this world; •People who talk and never do: The Lower Class •People who talk and do at the same time: The Middle Class •People who do before they ever talk: The Upper Class A real man does not need to talk. We are the upper class." -Joseph Lau

02-09-2011, 02:31 PM	#4
Fruglemonkey Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 41	Pulling the coin out of the eye is very good for small kids/squirmy people, especially after a vanish. IE Retention, squeeze hand hard, point (With the hand that has the coin fingerpalmed), follow the arm up, and to the eye, produce. If you know Wither vanish, it's a natural follow-on. Also: Clean up your room!

02-09-2011, 05:50 PM	#6
Fruglemonkey Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 41	HERE looks pretty simple, just gave it a look. http://www.penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=2008

02-10-2011, 03:37 AM	#8
Fruglemonkey Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 41	Sorry, I don't really understand. What's the definition of 'exposure', here? I see other people talking about how they have tutorials available and such, does that count as exposure? I'm assuming that blatantly revealing an original technique/routine is considered exposure (For example, exposing one of Mark's routines), but what if the magician has posted a tutorial of their own trick? What if it's a tutorial of something commonly known, such as a muscle pass? Is it still exposure, then? I thought my link wouldn't be counted as exposure, because, AFAIK, it's the original content of the youtube author. Or is it that any links to tutorials/reveals are unallowed, here? I checked the rules, they're pretty vague on the issue.

02-10-2011, 04:26 AM	#10
TheMisdirectingHand David Nguyen Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Rosemead, California Posts: 406	I believe that it is exposure in general. I am not clear on this issue as well. I am sorry, but as vague as the rules are, I must abide by them. We could wait until Mark comes and clarifies. Exposure in my opinion on this case would be a video or text that explains how an effect or sleight is performed. Until Mark clarifies, your link will stay removed. I will have him see to this matter as soon as I can. Thank you for your patience. __________________ "There are three types of people in this world; •People who talk and never do: The Lower Class •People who talk and do at the same time: The Middle Class •People who do before they ever talk: The Upper Class A real man does not need to talk. We are the upper class." -Joseph Lau

02-10-2011, 04:56 AM	#11
s13zeTheDay Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 150	Just a quick comment on Here: he also goes over a great vanish where you can show both hands empty in a convincing manner, though I will say it's very similar to alchemy, just with no clothing requirements and the coin still is in your hands at the end. Now on to a comment about coin magic in general: especially if you are just starting out, get your basics down pat first. I GUARANTEE you that if you sit down and take the time to master all of the basics and even a few time tested routines, you will be a better coin magician. THEN you can go and try to tackle stuff by ponta, shoot ogawa, curtis kam, etc. If you go the other way around, you will end up with sloppy fundamentals, which could hurt you in the long run. I'd especially recommend Bobo's Modern Coin Magic. It really has everything, even great versions of tricks that you would pay much more to learn from DVDs, like winged silver, misers dream, transpos, sleeving, you name it, it's in there. __________________ What you do in this world is a matter of no consequence. The question is, what can you make people believe you have done. --Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, A Study In Scarlet

02-10-2011, 05:11 AM	#12
TheMisdirectingHand David Nguyen Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Rosemead, California Posts: 406	I've heard many good things about Bobo's Modern Coin Magic. The only problem is, I don't have the means to purchase it online or anywhere else, because I have very limited transportation... __________________ "There are three types of people in this world; •People who talk and never do: The Lower Class •People who talk and do at the same time: The Middle Class •People who do before they ever talk: The Upper Class A real man does not need to talk. We are the upper class." -Joseph Lau

02-10-2011, 06:09 AM	#13
la0o9 Move monkey atm Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Not where you'd want to go :P Posts: 747	i think the only way left is to buy from Amazon/ebay or read what you can from google books... they actually have a few good books there that you can read parts of for free before buying the whole thing. __________________ "Doubt isn't the same as saying people are bad, it simply means you actually care, 100% trust is nothing more than ignorance"~ Akiyama Shinichi- Liar Game "It's not the destination but the road to it that is worth the trip" "Be careful what you wish for... it might just come true"~ old saying "It's a small world, but only relatively" "Reality is not the world, it is the way humankind depicts the world, thus when you alter a person's way of seeing the world, you alter reality itself"