|
11-23-2011, 01:37 PM | #1 | ||
Quote:
A final point or two before I exit the world of ethics and expose's to get on with the much more fun hobby of learning and creating magic: In all seriousness, the fact that some of the people who only watch the trailer and look at the product page but don't buy the tutorial are not going to get a thorough history lesson and crediting on this move is just not a big deal and I don't believe its a reason to be making Theory 11 out to be dishonest! Anyone who really want's to know about it's crediting/history will either buy the move or read up on it. If someone watches a trailer and then bases their whole knowledge of that move on that trailer alone, then more fool them! They will of course have a limited education If you go all out to "expose" some product or piece of advertising you better get your facts straight first. In this case several things had been said about Rick's move that were simply not true. I should not have had to wait for BCardician to come in and back me up regarding the glaringly obvious differences between the moves, but thank god he did. I fear had he not chimed in we would have a generation of Mark and Albert fans who were indeed completely misinformed about the details of the move and Mr. Lax himself!! How ironic since their goal is to make everything as clear as possible In the process of doing this they have smeared Mr. Lax's character and misnamed the move as being the BTS when it clearly is not. I know you wanted to highlight the problems you see with the product page Albert, but you did also say Quote:
For the benefit of anyone who has been confused by some of the things said by Mark and Albert in this thread about "High Rise", I think we can now be clear that: - The major differences between High Rise and Earicks move are blindingly obvious, not slight at all. The overall effect is the same; the handling is quite different! - The move is not a copy of "Blind Square" either! - Rick is completely justified in releasing this under a new name - He did not just steal the move and rename it AT ALL - He thoroughly credited Ernest Earick and others during the tutorial - In several respected magicians opinions there are problems with the lack of crediting on the product page that should be resolved |
|||
11-23-2011, 02:06 PM | #2 | ||
DarkSleightZ Artist
|
Quote:
Yes, as I've told Cris in my previous post, my biggest (and possibly only) concern regarding this matter was the fact that there was a lack of crediting on the products page. I agree with what you have said above, but I still believe that open and publicized crediting is very important regardless what others may think. I don't believe I said that Theory11 was being dishonest because of that (maybe I did, I don't remember ). I do know for a fact that I said and meant that they were misleading, which could give false information to people, especially new magicians. That's that for my part of this discussion about crediting. Quote:
__________________
"Bluffing is an important act to all strategies." - Lelouch Lamperouge |
||
11-23-2011, 02:10 PM | #3 | |
Tom
|
Quote:
Seems I was misinformed by certain members on this board, because up until now after reading all the posts in this thread I was under the impression that "High Rise" was only a very slight variation of a much older concept - hence my original post on this matter. Now, after hearing the truth from someone who has actually purchased the effect, maybe certain people will see sense and ditch this thread in the trash, because so far all that it has achieved in my eyes is the passing on of misinformation and confusion. Thanks Fin for clearing this up for me.
__________________
My cigar is not a symbol. It's only a cigar. - Sigmund Freud |
|
11-24-2011, 03:39 PM | #4 | |
Quote:
David, who I have the utmost respect for, just posted in a different thread yesterday, saying "Rick selling the move like his own also does not seem right..... High Rise was "taken" from someone you know, ideally Cris". Do you see what you guys have created? It's called "misinformation" or "disinformation". Unfortunately David clearly has not read the more recent posts in this thread, including the one from Chris, and thanks to this thread is under a false impression about the move and about Rick. I wonder how many other people have not read the full thread and hence have been left with completely the wrong impression about High Rise and about Mr Lax!! This is a lesson learnt, I hope, gentlemen?! And a serious one at that. |
||
11-24-2011, 04:38 PM | #5 | |
DarkSleightZ Artist
|
Quote:
And, good! That's the whole point of this thread. I am in no way what someone would call an authority in magic. I may have more experience, but like that, if people are so open to trusting what others claim, guess how much damage Theory11 has done if I actually did much damage? Maybe it was a good thing that I made that obvious mistake since it clearly shows you how a single word can have so much effect on people. I hope you do realize the seriousness of this Fin. If I can do this much damage (if I did do any noticeable amounts that is), then Theory11, a company much more influential than me can do so much more through misinformation like you said. That's why it's so important to make sure your products are not misleading, including the addition of credits. I don't think that's totally arguable, is it?
__________________
"Bluffing is an important act to all strategies." - Lelouch Lamperouge |
|
11-23-2011, 02:14 PM | #6 | ||
I'm not satisfied yet, so my apologies for this post in advance.
Quote:
People can release and unintentionally claim whatever they want these days, all and only caused by the lack of proper, public credits to their video performances. Most people don't buy the releases and in case they don't know the originals, they couldn't possibly know better. There are a lot of people who think that whatever one releases through a magic company must be completely his own unless stated different so you can't blame them for passing on wrong credits. Not only did Theory11 and Rick hide these credits, they have deleted them too. That is why I am making a much bigger deal out of this than I should have, or than I would in case of for instance Wayne Houchin's 'Invisible Palm' release. Even if you agree with having the credits put in the purchase, deleting them publicly goes far beyond. What if others start to work on the same principle and end up finding out that it is somewhat similar to 'HighRise' because of its performance? They may very well end up crediting just Rick and not Ernest. Quote:
There is nothing wrong with the release, with Rick and his character, or with the move whatsoever. It is just that I can't possibly agree with the way Theory11 deals with this. If they would've said 'HighRise' was an entire independent creation it would've been more acceptable, but it wasn't. So to clear up the list, if Rick indeed came up with this himself which is what I believe and have always believed: - The major differences between 'HighRise' and 'Bow-to-Stern' are blindingly obvious, not slight at all. The core principle is the same; the handling is quite different; - The move is similar to an earlier (original) version of 'Blind Square' but is a totally independent take on the same idea; - Rick is completely justified in releasing this under a new name; - He did not just steal the move and rename it; - He thoroughly credited Ernest Earick and others during the tutorial; - In several respected magicians their opinions there are problems with the lack of public credits that should be resolved. |
|||
|
|