CRITICISM PLEASE! An opportunity to make me cry!

Travmang · 07-16-2011, 03:10 PM

Hello friends, I don't think enough people post performance videos here! So I'm going to link my 3 new ones and FORCE you all to give me your honest opinions and criticism on each and every one of them! Of course I'll gladly return the time and comment/criticize on other people's videos too! It's a two way street! Tell me what you guys think!

MAGIC TUNNEL:

ERDNASE CHANGE:

CARD CONTROL:

For the control, I had already used the move for different applications before I had seen Tommy's control video, so it isn't a rip off but I do want to thank Tommy's performance that inspired me to make this video as well! <3 Thanks guys, and remember I'm always here to give my thoughts on your videos as well! Thanks! I really appreciate it!

I'M A STUPID DINOSAUR!

MarkoViner · 07-16-2011, 10:47 PM

Watched all, it was very entertaining.

Fin · 07-17-2011, 12:38 AM

I like the magic tunnel. The control looks super natural and I doubt any layman would be able to work it out since its very well covered and smoothly done.

I love the erdnase change. You do it very smoothly. I hate it when you can see the top card being OBVIOUSLY pushed forward. Many people do it like that as if its ok, but I think hiding/covering that part of the setup makes the change so much smoother and more deceptive. Maybe you could minimise the waving just a little which would make the final change a bit more "open", instant and visible? Although in saying that, the slow, multiple wave you do has it's place and is still very magical

The card control was my least favourite of the 3, but still very impressive. I pick it out though because although I don't think I've heard of the control before I could work it out instantly. Just a bit more subtlety on the replacement I think would help fix this.

Keep up the great work dude. I hope you are proud of yourself; this is great stuff!

la0o9 · 07-17-2011, 05:51 AM

the magic tunnel one was as good as ever, erdnase change is...well... not as good as it could be( like Fin said, pushing up is too obvious). too bad i don't have much else to say

Fin · 07-17-2011, 07:18 AM

You misunderstood me la0o9. I was saying the opposite; that in Travis's case it was NOT obvious. I don't like the look of it when (as some people choose to perform it) the card IS blatantly pushed forward before the move even starts, as if there's a good reason to be randomly pushing a card forward. But Travis does not do this; he blends it in with the waving movement and the patter. It was great

Kieran Oloughlin · 07-17-2011, 12:26 PM

All of them where great

la0o9 · 07-17-2011, 01:05 PM

ok... what i said meant that i think his pushing up the card was a bit obvious, i learnt from my friends that if you use the other method to push the card up( this is... insanely hard to explain with words... and even if i take the time to do so, i think it would still be a waste since it's not likely that you'll understand it), it would be much better. i could try and show you... if you actually need it...

Travmang · 07-17-2011, 02:10 PM

Thanks for the feedback! However, personally I don't think the card being pushed forward is even noticeable. But that is just my opinion, and in no way am I saying that you're wrong. There is ALWAYS room for improvement. That being said, I don't think the card being pushed forward is noticeable at all, and I can't even tell that it is being pushed back to square up with the deck. And I'm not sure of the other method you're talking about unless you're referring to the one that Albert teaches in the Repulse download. But of course my opinion is biased since I'm talking about my own performance.

Thanks for the advice, and of course I'm still working on making it smoother!

TommySteal · 07-18-2011, 01:20 AM

My fave was your erdnase change. Smooth action and funny patter combined to make a nice perfomance. Two thumbs up.

Albert · 07-18-2011, 02:31 AM

So here we go:

1) Magic Tunnel :: Great job. The Do***e was well handled and it looked and seemed singular. The patter was amusing, which I really like about your performances. The intonation really adds to the patter, so props to you on that

The Repulse can be improved on, however. At the moment, it looks fine, no doubt. But angle-wise, it won't be very practical if the hand stays still like that. I'm sure you know yourself what needs to be worked on more

2) Erdnase Change :: Once again, great patter and very amusing. My suggestion is that when doing the pu**ing action, make sure your fingers are not so stiff. At the moment, it seems obvious that your hand is doing something sneaky because you hand is frozen stiff and moving as a whole. You can also perform less of the wave, in which I think would improve the effect to look better.

3) Card Control :: I have some mixed feelings about this one. There were good parts and a bit awkward parts (but mostly from the POV of a magician). The replacement was well done since that small wave of the hand to perform it just looks like you were adding a "magical" gesture. However, my only mixed feelings about this one is, if you were going to replace the card into the middle anyways, why take the card out from the middle? That is somewhat of a give-away on the fact that you did something sneaky, but not exactly what you did. So at this point, what you can do is try and come up with a method which makes a bit more sense

Overall, great job Trav! Trying to get me into trouble again, huh?

Travmang · 07-18-2011, 05:58 AM

@Albert: I agree with your comments on the Repulse! I very much so noticed what I was doing wrong.

And also yeah I was tempting you/trying to get you into trouble but didn't work. damn!

@Tommy: Thanks for the kind words sir, I really appreciate it!

@Everyone: Thanks for the advice everyone I take it to heart to improve for my future performances and I'm glad the overall consensus was good! And I'm happy you guys like the patter, I try to make it funny!

la0o9 · 07-18-2011, 06:04 AM

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However, my only mixed feelings about this one is, if you were going to replace the card into the middle anyways, why take the card out from the middle? That is somewhat of a give-away on the fact that you did something sneaky, but not exactly what you did. So at this point, what you can do is try and come up with a method which makes a bit more sense

i have a suggestion for that particular part, try the spin doctor double( dan and dave's, taught on their trick Tivo 2.0 on the "Tricks" DVD), it puts the card in almost the perfect position for that particular control.

Travmang · 07-18-2011, 06:08 AM

Thanks, I have that DVD so it should be nice to pursue that!

Kieran Oloughlin · 07-18-2011, 07:04 AM

Yeah learn the center double taught ont tivo 2.0, thats a good one. I dont use it much anymore because I came up with my own, which in my opinion looks more natrual and is also a little firmer so the cards wont seperate even if the cards being used are bad quality

la0o9 · 07-18-2011, 08:44 AM

really now? now i'm curious. Please show us when you have the time( use it in a trick... preferably...)

spafruit1 · 07-18-2011, 06:15 PM

Nice card control

07-16-2011, 03:10 PM	#1
Travmang Pharaoh of Magicianry Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 249 Donor Score: 50	CRITICISM PLEASE! An opportunity to make me cry! Hello friends, I don't think enough people post performance videos here! So I'm going to link my 3 new ones and FORCE you all to give me your honest opinions and criticism on each and every one of them! Of course I'll gladly return the time and comment/criticize on other people's videos too! It's a two way street! Tell me what you guys think! MAGIC TUNNEL: ERDNASE CHANGE: CARD CONTROL: For the control, I had already used the move for different applications before I had seen Tommy's control video, so it isn't a rip off but I do want to thank Tommy's performance that inspired me to make this video as well! <3 Thanks guys, and remember I'm always here to give my thoughts on your videos as well! Thanks! I really appreciate it! I'M A STUPID DINOSAUR!

07-17-2011, 05:51 AM	#4
la0o9 Move monkey atm Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Not where you'd want to go :P Posts: 747	the magic tunnel one was as good as ever, erdnase change is...well... not as good as it could be( like Fin said, pushing up is too obvious). too bad i don't have much else to say __________________ "Doubt isn't the same as saying people are bad, it simply means you actually care, 100% trust is nothing more than ignorance"~ Akiyama Shinichi- Liar Game "It's not the destination but the road to it that is worth the trip" "Be careful what you wish for... it might just come true"~ old saying "It's a small world, but only relatively" "Reality is not the world, it is the way humankind depicts the world, thus when you alter a person's way of seeing the world, you alter reality itself"

07-17-2011, 01:05 PM	#7
la0o9 Move monkey atm Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Not where you'd want to go :P Posts: 747	ok... what i said meant that i think his pushing up the card was a bit obvious, i learnt from my friends that if you use the other method to push the card up( this is... insanely hard to explain with words... and even if i take the time to do so, i think it would still be a waste since it's not likely that you'll understand it), it would be much better. i could try and show you... if you actually need it... __________________ "Doubt isn't the same as saying people are bad, it simply means you actually care, 100% trust is nothing more than ignorance"~ Akiyama Shinichi- Liar Game "It's not the destination but the road to it that is worth the trip" "Be careful what you wish for... it might just come true"~ old saying "It's a small world, but only relatively" "Reality is not the world, it is the way humankind depicts the world, thus when you alter a person's way of seeing the world, you alter reality itself"

07-18-2011, 01:20 AM	#9
TommySteal Tom Join Date: May 2011 Location: Italy Posts: 274	My fave was your erdnase change. Smooth action and funny patter combined to make a nice perfomance. Two thumbs up. __________________ My cigar is not a symbol. It's only a cigar. - Sigmund Freud

07-18-2011, 02:31 AM	#10
Albert DarkSleightZ Artist Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 671 Donor Score: 110	So here we go: 1) Magic Tunnel :: Great job. The Do*e was well handled and it looked and seemed singular. The patter was amusing, which I really like about your performances. The intonation really adds to the patter, so props to you on that The Repulse can be improved on, however. At the moment, it looks fine, no doubt. But angle-wise, it won't be very practical if the hand stays still like that. I'm sure you know yourself what needs to be worked on more 2) Erdnase Change :: Once again, great patter and very amusing. My suggestion is that when doing the puing action, make sure your fingers are not so stiff. At the moment, it seems obvious that your hand is doing something sneaky because you hand is frozen stiff and moving as a whole. You can also perform less of the wave, in which I think would improve the effect to look better. 3) Card Control :: I have some mixed feelings about this one. There were good parts and a bit awkward parts (but mostly from the POV of a magician). The replacement was well done since that small wave of the hand to perform it just looks like you were adding a "magical" gesture. However, my only mixed feelings about this one is, if you were going to replace the card into the middle anyways, why take the card out from the middle? That is somewhat of a give-away on the fact that you did something sneaky, but not exactly what you did. So at this point, what you can do is try and come up with a method which makes a bit more sense Overall, great job Trav! Trying to get me into trouble again, huh? __________________ "Bluffing is an important act to all strategies." - Lelouch Lamperouge

07-16-2011, 10:47 PM	#2
MarkoViner Join Date: May 2011 Location: Serbia,Novi sad Posts: 78	Watched all, it was very entertaining.

07-17-2011, 12:38 AM	#3
Fin Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 530	I like the magic tunnel. The control looks super natural and I doubt any layman would be able to work it out since its very well covered and smoothly done. I love the erdnase change. You do it very smoothly. I hate it when you can see the top card being OBVIOUSLY pushed forward. Many people do it like that as if its ok, but I think hiding/covering that part of the setup makes the change so much smoother and more deceptive. Maybe you could minimise the waving just a little which would make the final change a bit more "open", instant and visible? Although in saying that, the slow, multiple wave you do has it's place and is still very magical The card control was my least favourite of the 3, but still very impressive. I pick it out though because although I don't think I've heard of the control before I could work it out instantly. Just a bit more subtlety on the replacement I think would help fix this. Keep up the great work dude. I hope you are proud of yourself; this is great stuff!

07-17-2011, 07:18 AM	#5
Fin Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 530	You misunderstood me la0o9. I was saying the opposite; that in Travis's case it was NOT obvious. I don't like the look of it when (as some people choose to perform it) the card IS blatantly pushed forward before the move even starts, as if there's a good reason to be randomly pushing a card forward. But Travis does not do this; he blends it in with the waving movement and the patter. It was great

07-17-2011, 12:26 PM	#6
Kieran Oloughlin Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 414	All of them where great

07-17-2011, 02:10 PM	#8
Travmang Pharaoh of Magicianry Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 249 Donor Score: 50	Thanks for the feedback! However, personally I don't think the card being pushed forward is even noticeable. But that is just my opinion, and in no way am I saying that you're wrong. There is ALWAYS room for improvement. That being said, I don't think the card being pushed forward is noticeable at all, and I can't even tell that it is being pushed back to square up with the deck. And I'm not sure of the other method you're talking about unless you're referring to the one that Albert teaches in the Repulse download. But of course my opinion is biased since I'm talking about my own performance. Thanks for the advice, and of course I'm still working on making it smoother!

07-18-2011, 05:58 AM	#11
Travmang Pharaoh of Magicianry Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 249 Donor Score: 50	@Albert: I agree with your comments on the Repulse! I very much so noticed what I was doing wrong. And also yeah I was tempting you/trying to get you into trouble but didn't work. damn! @Tommy: Thanks for the kind words sir, I really appreciate it! @Everyone: Thanks for the advice everyone I take it to heart to improve for my future performances and I'm glad the overall consensus was good! And I'm happy you guys like the patter, I try to make it funny!

07-18-2011, 06:08 AM	#13
Travmang Pharaoh of Magicianry Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 249 Donor Score: 50	Thanks, I have that DVD so it should be nice to pursue that!

07-18-2011, 07:04 AM	#14
Kieran Oloughlin Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 414	Yeah learn the center double taught ont tivo 2.0, thats a good one. I dont use it much anymore because I came up with my own, which in my opinion looks more natrual and is also a little firmer so the cards wont seperate even if the cards being used are bad quality

07-18-2011, 08:44 AM	#15
la0o9 Move monkey atm Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Not where you'd want to go :P Posts: 747	really now? now i'm curious. Please show us when you have the time( use it in a trick... preferably...) __________________ "Doubt isn't the same as saying people are bad, it simply means you actually care, 100% trust is nothing more than ignorance"~ Akiyama Shinichi- Liar Game "It's not the destination but the road to it that is worth the trip" "Be careful what you wish for... it might just come true"~ old saying "It's a small world, but only relatively" "Reality is not the world, it is the way humankind depicts the world, thus when you alter a person's way of seeing the world, you alter reality itself"

07-18-2011, 06:15 PM	#16
spafruit1 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 19	Nice card control