Thanks for the advice guys although I think I worked out what I was doing wrong. The problem I was having ,la0o9, was that on replacement the next card down was sliding off a little, exposing it at the edge. I have fixed this by working on my grip and by using a little less pressure. As is usually the case with these things I needed to relax a little. I just need to keep practising. I made alot more progress last night after a few more hours in front of the mirror. I now have everything except the speed and consistency, which I'm sure will come with time and more practise. Can't wait to get it perfected! I might still take you up on kind the offer of help thanks la0o9. Any tips from someone who's been doing this for a while are sure to be welcome