Brimstone - Custom Card Deck Idea

RWKercheval · 05-17-2011, 11:33 PM

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What do you guys think? I've been working on this deck off and on for a month now. I am still making slight variations, but it is pretty much finished.
I've been poking around a few other websites trying to get some feedback, so any you have would be awesome!

Would YOU buy a deck if it was for sale?

I have started a kickstarter account to see if there is enough interest to actually make the deck in the coming months.

Mod's am I allowed to post a link?

Thanks guys,
Russell Kercheval
Indianapolis, IN
RWKercheval@gmail.com

MarkoViner · 05-17-2011, 11:42 PM

I like the back design and the box
All the cards look very nice for exception of the : KINGS (they are too red) , I haven't seen the other picture cards ( if they are as red as the kings lower the opacity down).
Other then that if you ship this cards to Serbia I would definitely buy them!

Travmang · 05-17-2011, 11:43 PM

First off, welcome to our community of awesomeness. Second, I do like the design and the look of the cards, I'd buy them as long as they are reasonably priced.

RWKercheval · 05-17-2011, 11:53 PM

Quick replies!

Thanks! The kings/queens/jacks wont be so vibrant when printed. The red is going to be a bit deeper like the back of the cards. I am still messing with them a bit and toning down the court cards is first on the list.

As for the price, on my kickstarter page you can pre-order them for as low as $5.00... MSRP when they get printed will be $8.99

Again thanks for the kind words,
- Russell

Albert · 05-18-2011, 05:46 AM

This is a really nice deck! I like the design

One reason I may be hesitant to buy it is due to the black border. Once it wears off and you begin to see the white, that kind of interferes with some DLs and such, especially if the wear and tear becomes really distinct on the edges compared to other cards. Just my personal experience from the black tiger deck. The visible wearing just repels me

But I love the devil-angel idea!

Kieran Oloughlin · 05-18-2011, 09:13 AM

They are very good I think. Will you get them printed?

Mark · 05-18-2011, 09:17 AM

Very nice!! Would love to see the jokers too!

And sure, feel free to post a link.

One thing though, what if you pre-order them for as long as $5.00 and in the end they won't get printed because of a lack of interest (which I couldn't imagine, but what if)?

RWKercheval · 05-18-2011, 04:44 PM

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...nted-card-deck

The way kickstarter work is: All-or-Nothing funding. $5,000 is enough to make the cards through USPCC/Bicycle. If I don't raise the full amount on kickstarter in the time allotted your credit card does NOT get charged. Anyone who pledged through kickstarter is safe either way. Kickstarter is a legally binding contract for myself. I am already 60% funded in only 9 days! There seems to be a huge demand for them! The day I get full funding is the day I order the decks, I already have been speaking to a sales rep at USPCC.

Back to the fun stuff!

The Jokers:
I'm still working on those, I want something unique and evil! I've been tossing around a few ideas and will have examples to show everyone this weekend I am sure.

la0o9 · 05-18-2011, 05:15 PM

quick question, how much will you be selling them at? and will you be ordering them from USPCC as a normal t11 deck would be( they always use some sort of reserved card stock or something) or as a normal custom deck would be?

now to talk about the fun stuffs

hmmm, i would originally suggest a simple bone man with devil wingsfor the jokers, but now that i think about it, seems like that is too simple( and over done) for a newly released deck that strive for uniqueness, have you thought about NOT modelling the jokers after humanoid demons( walking on 2 legs, having 2 arms, a head, all attached to a torso in the middle)? i think a fierce looking monster with the reveal card inside it's mouth will be quite original( well, if you're not comparing it the the Anne Stokes or the England Alchemy decks).

RWKercheval · 05-18-2011, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by la0o9

quick question, how much will you be selling them at? and will you be ordering them from USPCC as a normal t11 deck would be( they always use some sort of reserved card stock or something) or as a normal custom deck would be?

MSRP will be $8.99 USD, but anyone buying in bulk can sell them for whatever they like. My estimates so far have put me at only having 300 decks AFTER I am finished with Kickstarter. They'll be sold in bricks of 25 decks after that at $125 USD. The only way to guarantee a deck or uncut sheet is to pledge to at least $5 to kickstarter.

As for the joker ideas, I've been tossing around a few of those already!

Thanks for the comments and responses everyone.

- Russell

MarkoViner · 05-18-2011, 08:31 PM

Here's an idea for the jokers. Maybe using devilish angels as shown on the back design, and put them as a joker?

Mark · 05-18-2011, 09:49 PM

What about actual devils, the master of the devilish angels?
Or a devilish joker holding a bicycle in his hands, which he just ripped into pieces.

TheMisdirectingHand · 05-19-2011, 01:06 AM

Just joking... but maybe we should paste a picture of Daniel Madison on the Jokers.

s13zeTheDay · 05-19-2011, 03:35 AM

Just something to consider- though you can make the joker design awesome-looking and you might appreciate it, ultimately laymen are going to have to see and interpret it. I would thus advise a clearer approach, something that when someone sees it they immediately know it's a joker (that doesn't mean you can't be creative, just not too intricate). E.G. My arcane deck, though I like the deck a lot, i've gotten weird looks from spectators when they pick the joker and then i have to either explain it or make them pick another card.

Also the deck in general looks nice

RWKercheval · 05-22-2011, 06:09 PM

Just a quick update to those who are still interested in my little project...

I give you, The King of Diamonds and The Gaffed Joker!

--edit--
The second joker is now the same color as the first! It will be holding the back side art card instead.

Thanks for your input everyone!
- Russell

Mark · 05-22-2011, 06:11 PM

That's ridiculously awesome! I don't know whether I like the second Joker having a reversed color scheme though. It would be cool if you could have the 3 of Clubs appear in the Joker's hand magically and with a reversed color schemed second Joker that wouldn't be possible.

MarkoViner · 05-22-2011, 06:15 PM

Gorgeously looking! I love it! Love the idea of the demonic or the skull on the court cards!

Travmang · 05-22-2011, 08:02 PM

Yeah, please don't reverse the colors on the other joker! I beg of you!

RWKercheval · 05-22-2011, 09:00 PM

Hmmm...

I've actually gotten a lot of response about the joker. Just to clarify, the other joker would only switch the red and gold colors, just a palate swap not inverted colors.

I'm still messing around with the details, so you guys might get your wish! I'm getting many emails about this deck and I am weighing all options. Keep the opinions and critiques going!

Thanks,
- Russell

TommySteal · 05-22-2011, 10:26 PM

From a magicians point of view, the two jokers need to be identical with the exception of the reveal of course. If you messed with the colur schemes you'd be messing with your sales I think.

05-17-2011, 11:33 PM	#1
RWKercheval Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 9	Brimstone - Custom Card Deck Idea . What do you guys think? I've been working on this deck off and on for a month now. I am still making slight variations, but it is pretty much finished. I've been poking around a few other websites trying to get some feedback, so any you have would be awesome! Would YOU buy a deck if it was for sale? I have started a kickstarter account to see if there is enough interest to actually make the deck in the coming months. Mod's am I allowed to post a link? Thanks guys, Russell Kercheval Indianapolis, IN RWKercheval@gmail.com

05-18-2011, 05:46 AM	#5
Albert DarkSleightZ Artist Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 671 Donor Score: 110	This is a really nice deck! I like the design One reason I may be hesitant to buy it is due to the black border. Once it wears off and you begin to see the white, that kind of interferes with some DLs and such, especially if the wear and tear becomes really distinct on the edges compared to other cards. Just my personal experience from the black tiger deck. The visible wearing just repels me But I love the devil-angel idea! __________________ "Bluffing is an important act to all strategies." - Lelouch Lamperouge

05-18-2011, 05:15 PM	#9
la0o9 Move monkey atm Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Not where you'd want to go :P Posts: 747	quick question, how much will you be selling them at? and will you be ordering them from USPCC as a normal t11 deck would be( they always use some sort of reserved card stock or something) or as a normal custom deck would be? now to talk about the fun stuffs hmmm, i would originally suggest a simple bone man with devil wingsfor the jokers, but now that i think about it, seems like that is too simple( and over done) for a newly released deck that strive for uniqueness, have you thought about NOT modelling the jokers after humanoid demons( walking on 2 legs, having 2 arms, a head, all attached to a torso in the middle)? i think a fierce looking monster with the reveal card inside it's mouth will be quite original( well, if you're not comparing it the the Anne Stokes or the England Alchemy decks). __________________ "Doubt isn't the same as saying people are bad, it simply means you actually care, 100% trust is nothing more than ignorance"~ Akiyama Shinichi- Liar Game "It's not the destination but the road to it that is worth the trip" "Be careful what you wish for... it might just come true"~ old saying "It's a small world, but only relatively" "Reality is not the world, it is the way humankind depicts the world, thus when you alter a person's way of seeing the world, you alter reality itself"

05-19-2011, 01:06 AM	#13
TheMisdirectingHand David Nguyen Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Rosemead, California Posts: 406	Just joking... but maybe we should paste a picture of Daniel Madison on the Jokers. __________________ "There are three types of people in this world; •People who talk and never do: The Lower Class •People who talk and do at the same time: The Middle Class •People who do before they ever talk: The Upper Class A real man does not need to talk. We are the upper class." -Joseph Lau

05-19-2011, 03:35 AM	#14
s13zeTheDay Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 150	Just something to consider- though you can make the joker design awesome-looking and you might appreciate it, ultimately laymen are going to have to see and interpret it. I would thus advise a clearer approach, something that when someone sees it they immediately know it's a joker (that doesn't mean you can't be creative, just not too intricate). E.G. My arcane deck, though I like the deck a lot, i've gotten weird looks from spectators when they pick the joker and then i have to either explain it or make them pick another card. Also the deck in general looks nice __________________ What you do in this world is a matter of no consequence. The question is, what can you make people believe you have done. --Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, A Study In Scarlet

05-17-2011, 11:42 PM	#2
MarkoViner Join Date: May 2011 Location: Serbia,Novi sad Posts: 78	I like the back design and the box All the cards look very nice for exception of the : KINGS (they are too red) , I haven't seen the other picture cards ( if they are as red as the kings lower the opacity down). Other then that if you ship this cards to Serbia I would definitely buy them!

05-17-2011, 11:43 PM	#3
Travmang Pharaoh of Magicianry Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 249 Donor Score: 50	First off, welcome to our community of awesomeness. Second, I do like the design and the look of the cards, I'd buy them as long as they are reasonably priced.

05-17-2011, 11:53 PM	#4
RWKercheval Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 9	Quick replies! Thanks! The kings/queens/jacks wont be so vibrant when printed. The red is going to be a bit deeper like the back of the cards. I am still messing with them a bit and toning down the court cards is first on the list. As for the price, on my kickstarter page you can pre-order them for as low as $5.00... MSRP when they get printed will be $8.99 Again thanks for the kind words, - Russell

05-18-2011, 09:13 AM	#6
Kieran Oloughlin Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 414	They are very good I think. Will you get them printed?

05-18-2011, 09:17 AM	#7
Mark Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 935	Very nice!! Would love to see the jokers too! And sure, feel free to post a link. One thing though, what if you pre-order them for as long as $5.00 and in the end they won't get printed because of a lack of interest (which I couldn't imagine, but what if)?

05-18-2011, 04:44 PM	#8
RWKercheval Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 9	http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...nted-card-deck The way kickstarter work is: All-or-Nothing funding. $5,000 is enough to make the cards through USPCC/Bicycle. If I don't raise the full amount on kickstarter in the time allotted your credit card does NOT get charged. Anyone who pledged through kickstarter is safe either way. Kickstarter is a legally binding contract for myself. I am already 60% funded in only 9 days! There seems to be a huge demand for them! The day I get full funding is the day I order the decks, I already have been speaking to a sales rep at USPCC. Back to the fun stuff! The Jokers: I'm still working on those, I want something unique and evil! I've been tossing around a few ideas and will have examples to show everyone this weekend I am sure.

05-18-2011, 08:31 PM	#11
MarkoViner Join Date: May 2011 Location: Serbia,Novi sad Posts: 78	Here's an idea for the jokers. Maybe using devilish angels as shown on the back design, and put them as a joker?

05-18-2011, 09:49 PM	#12
Mark Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 935	What about actual devils, the master of the devilish angels? Or a devilish joker holding a bicycle in his hands, which he just ripped into pieces.

05-22-2011, 06:09 PM	#15
RWKercheval Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 9	Just a quick update to those who are still interested in my little project... I give you, The King of Diamonds and The Gaffed Joker! --edit-- The second joker is now the same color as the first! It will be holding the back side art card instead. Thanks for your input everyone! - Russell

05-22-2011, 06:11 PM	#16
Mark Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 935	That's ridiculously awesome! I don't know whether I like the second Joker having a reversed color scheme though. It would be cool if you could have the 3 of Clubs appear in the Joker's hand magically and with a reversed color schemed second Joker that wouldn't be possible.

05-22-2011, 06:15 PM	#17
MarkoViner Join Date: May 2011 Location: Serbia,Novi sad Posts: 78	Gorgeously looking! I love it! Love the idea of the demonic or the skull on the court cards!

05-22-2011, 08:02 PM	#18
Travmang Pharaoh of Magicianry Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 249 Donor Score: 50	Yeah, please don't reverse the colors on the other joker! I beg of you!

05-22-2011, 09:00 PM	#19
RWKercheval Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 9	Hmmm... I've actually gotten a lot of response about the joker. Just to clarify, the other joker would only switch the red and gold colors, just a palate swap not inverted colors. I'm still messing around with the details, so you guys might get your wish! I'm getting many emails about this deck and I am weighing all options. Keep the opinions and critiques going! Thanks, - Russell

05-22-2011, 10:26 PM	#20
TommySteal Tom Join Date: May 2011 Location: Italy Posts: 274	From a magicians point of view, the two jokers need to be identical with the exception of the reveal of course. If you messed with the colur schemes you'd be messing with your sales I think.