I change???

Randy · 09-06-2011, 01:39 PM

He guy's what you think about this trick?
looks cool but i think its fake dunno it looks to clean
i think its edited...And if not its a cool color change .

Albert · 09-06-2011, 02:13 PM

It looks fake to me. The lighting suddenly changes when the colour changes, which would mean that it was a separate take when the sun's position changed (later on in the day).

MeandmagiC · 09-06-2011, 03:04 PM

lol, the only method could be the blue thing covering up the black cover
but, when he removes it, the black thing is completely gone,
sooooo, I say its fake, unless he posts a video which is recorded with a better camera xD

la0o9 · 09-06-2011, 04:41 PM

i'd say that it's fake, after playing it frame by frame, i conclude that either he had the Flash( the gimmick or the superhero) and an invisible sleeve, he could only achieve that with editting

Randy · 09-06-2011, 05:22 PM

Ha i thought so it was a fake video and he said with help of Penguin Magic he
created this effect

.

Here is another 1 .

Mark · 09-06-2011, 05:36 PM

Hahaha, and he calls the second one "less practical". Aren't tricks that use more cover always more practical?

Oh, and this is impossible to do with 'The Flash' too, either the gimmick or the superhero (what's the difference anyways?).

Albert · 09-06-2011, 06:55 PM

Haha, the 2nd video fails worse since the position of the case changes when he didn't even touch it; I doubt a light cloth could move that case.

Travmang · 09-06-2011, 07:12 PM

It would be a crime to NOT mention Albert's new avatar. I feel as though the next time I go to eat an apple, I'll see Mr. Trollface on my it.

The worst is when I wake up at 4am to go to the bathroom, and I see him swirling around in the toilet water. Gives me a heart attack nearly every time.

MeandmagiC · 09-06-2011, 07:32 PM

why does he use such a big movement for putting a napkin over a phone?
he could aswell put another one on the table and push off the first one with that kind of movement :S

TheMisdirectingHand · 09-07-2011, 12:47 AM

I would say this is definitely fake. Why? Well... :

- The lighting changes on BOTH videos right before the "change" occurs

- What is the need for publishing a video at 720p if you're using a camera that has a framerate worst than that of a toaster?

- The first video has absolutely no motion whatsoever

-The angle it was filmed in was horrible, and had no moving background, if it were real, there would be no need for such a bad camera/angle to record at. It should be uploaded from the spectator's point of view, facing the performer.

Fin · 09-07-2011, 07:22 AM

Looking at it closely I believe that the first video has been done using a simple case of "colour manipulation". It is in fact one continuous take. Just as the colour changes watch carefully the small red-ish object on the floor near the top right corner of the screen. It's colour also changes. I think he has just chosen a specific "colour range" and applied a change of "hue" to it, thus affecting everything in the frame which is of that colour or similar. This can be done incredibly easily in photoshop as well as video manipulation programs; you literally click on, or "sample" the object whose colour you want to change, then drag a slider to change it, and just that object or others with the same colour will change.. Everything else in the photo/video will remain completely untouched. The second vid probably uses the same technique.

MeandmagiC · 09-07-2011, 07:23 PM

good call fin!

Randy · 09-07-2011, 11:49 PM

Yeah i c it, wow whats with all the edited magic now days.

But on another forum 1 guy posted that he saw a trick similar as this 1 done
with iphone only with a balloon wrapped on the cover if you get what i mean .

TheMisdirectingHand · 09-08-2011, 01:04 AM

Fin, if it were a colour manipulation, I think it would look less realistic than it is now, the glare of the sun on it is exactly the same.

Albert · 09-08-2011, 02:16 AM

I still think it's a separate take, in which the brighter lighting made that small red-ish object lighter. That's what I also used as my first guess on what kind of video edit it was. However, what Fin said also has merit, as it could be a possibility.

Fin · 09-10-2011, 04:55 AM

The glare of the sun is being left totally untouched by the process, since the relevant colours are not included in the "sample" that he took. Play around with the colour manipulation tools in photoshop and you'll see what I mean. "Realism" or the feeling of it is not affected.. only a chosen colour selection.

Here is a quick example I just made in photoshop. It took 3 minutes to change the colour of this object, and ONLY this object. Nothing else in the scene is affected in any way.

Original:

Colour Manipulated:

Fine details you may notice, like the red that is left around the buttons, could be easily fixed were I to spend a little more time on it. I just did a quick job for demonstration purposes. I see no reason why this sort of effect could not be reproduced in a video editing program.

Kieran Oloughlin · 09-10-2011, 05:32 AM

You guys are being a bit spectical...

Fin · 09-10-2011, 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kieran Oloughlin

You guys are being a bit spectical...

It's "skeptical"! And yes, we are. Magic isn't real yunno!

Albert · 09-10-2011, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fin

Magic isn't real yunno!

You just said something very very taboo for a magician! You are exiled from the guild of the magi! xD

I'm joking with you

Albert · 09-10-2011, 05:35 AM

Now that I see Fin's reproduction of it, I'm much more convinced!

09-06-2011, 01:39 PM	#1
Randy Hobby Magician Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Holland/Rotterdam Posts: 93	I change??? He guy's what you think about this trick? looks cool but i think its fake dunno it looks to clean i think its edited...And if not its a cool color change . __________________

09-06-2011, 02:13 PM	#2
Albert DarkSleightZ Artist Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 671 Donor Score: 110	It looks fake to me. The lighting suddenly changes when the colour changes, which would mean that it was a separate take when the sun's position changed (later on in the day). __________________ "Bluffing is an important act to all strategies." - Lelouch Lamperouge

09-06-2011, 04:41 PM	#4
la0o9 Move monkey atm Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Not where you'd want to go :P Posts: 747	i'd say that it's fake, after playing it frame by frame, i conclude that either he had the Flash( the gimmick or the superhero) and an invisible sleeve, he could only achieve that with editting __________________ "Doubt isn't the same as saying people are bad, it simply means you actually care, 100% trust is nothing more than ignorance"~ Akiyama Shinichi- Liar Game "It's not the destination but the road to it that is worth the trip" "Be careful what you wish for... it might just come true"~ old saying "It's a small world, but only relatively" "Reality is not the world, it is the way humankind depicts the world, thus when you alter a person's way of seeing the world, you alter reality itself"

09-06-2011, 05:22 PM	#5
Randy Hobby Magician Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Holland/Rotterdam Posts: 93	Ha i thought so it was a fake video and he said with help of Penguin Magic he created this effect . Here is another 1 . __________________

09-06-2011, 06:55 PM	#7
Albert DarkSleightZ Artist Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 671 Donor Score: 110	Haha, the 2nd video fails worse since the position of the case changes when he didn't even touch it; I doubt a light cloth could move that case. __________________ "Bluffing is an important act to all strategies." - Lelouch Lamperouge

09-06-2011, 03:04 PM	#3
MeandmagiC Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 44	lol, the only method could be the blue thing covering up the black cover but, when he removes it, the black thing is completely gone, sooooo, I say its fake, unless he posts a video which is recorded with a better camera xD

09-06-2011, 05:36 PM	#6
Mark Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 935	Hahaha, and he calls the second one "less practical". Aren't tricks that use more cover always more practical? Oh, and this is impossible to do with 'The Flash' too, either the gimmick or the superhero (what's the difference anyways?).

09-06-2011, 07:12 PM	#8
Travmang Pharaoh of Magicianry Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 249 Donor Score: 50	It would be a crime to NOT mention Albert's new avatar. I feel as though the next time I go to eat an apple, I'll see Mr. Trollface on my it. The worst is when I wake up at 4am to go to the bathroom, and I see him swirling around in the toilet water. Gives me a heart attack nearly every time.

09-06-2011, 07:32 PM	#9
MeandmagiC Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 44	why does he use such a big movement for putting a napkin over a phone? he could aswell put another one on the table and push off the first one with that kind of movement :S

09-07-2011, 12:47 AM	#10
TheMisdirectingHand David Nguyen Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Rosemead, California Posts: 406	I would say this is definitely fake. Why? Well... : - The lighting changes on BOTH videos right before the "change" occurs - What is the need for publishing a video at 720p if you're using a camera that has a framerate worst than that of a toaster? - The first video has absolutely no motion whatsoever -The angle it was filmed in was horrible, and had no moving background, if it were real, there would be no need for such a bad camera/angle to record at. It should be uploaded from the spectator's point of view, facing the performer. __________________ "There are three types of people in this world; •People who talk and never do: The Lower Class •People who talk and do at the same time: The Middle Class •People who do before they ever talk: The Upper Class A real man does not need to talk. We are the upper class." -Joseph Lau

09-07-2011, 07:22 AM	#11
Fin Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 530	Looking at it closely I believe that the first video has been done using a simple case of "colour manipulation". It is in fact one continuous take. Just as the colour changes watch carefully the small red-ish object on the floor near the top right corner of the screen. It's colour also changes. I think he has just chosen a specific "colour range" and applied a change of "hue" to it, thus affecting everything in the frame which is of that colour or similar. This can be done incredibly easily in photoshop as well as video manipulation programs; you literally click on, or "sample" the object whose colour you want to change, then drag a slider to change it, and just that object or others with the same colour will change.. Everything else in the photo/video will remain completely untouched. The second vid probably uses the same technique.

09-07-2011, 07:23 PM	#12
MeandmagiC Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 44	good call fin!

09-07-2011, 11:49 PM	#13
Randy Hobby Magician Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Holland/Rotterdam Posts: 93	Yeah i c it, wow whats with all the edited magic now days. But on another forum 1 guy posted that he saw a trick similar as this 1 done with iphone only with a balloon wrapped on the cover if you get what i mean . __________________

09-08-2011, 01:04 AM	#14
TheMisdirectingHand David Nguyen Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Rosemead, California Posts: 406	Fin, if it were a colour manipulation, I think it would look less realistic than it is now, the glare of the sun on it is exactly the same. __________________ "There are three types of people in this world; •People who talk and never do: The Lower Class •People who talk and do at the same time: The Middle Class •People who do before they ever talk: The Upper Class A real man does not need to talk. We are the upper class." -Joseph Lau

09-08-2011, 02:16 AM	#15
Albert DarkSleightZ Artist Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 671 Donor Score: 110	I still think it's a separate take, in which the brighter lighting made that small red-ish object lighter. That's what I also used as my first guess on what kind of video edit it was. However, what Fin said also has merit, as it could be a possibility. __________________ "Bluffing is an important act to all strategies." - Lelouch Lamperouge

09-10-2011, 04:55 AM	#16
Fin Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 530	The glare of the sun is being left totally untouched by the process, since the relevant colours are not included in the "sample" that he took. Play around with the colour manipulation tools in photoshop and you'll see what I mean. "Realism" or the feeling of it is not affected.. only a chosen colour selection. Here is a quick example I just made in photoshop. It took 3 minutes to change the colour of this object, and ONLY this object. Nothing else in the scene is affected in any way. Original: Colour Manipulated: Fine details you may notice, like the red that is left around the buttons, could be easily fixed were I to spend a little more time on it. I just did a quick job for demonstration purposes. I see no reason why this sort of effect could not be reproduced in a video editing program.

09-10-2011, 05:32 AM	#17
Kieran Oloughlin Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 414	You guys are being a bit spectical...

09-10-2011, 05:35 AM	#20
Albert DarkSleightZ Artist Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 671 Donor Score: 110	Now that I see Fin's reproduction of it, I'm much more convinced! __________________ "Bluffing is an important act to all strategies." - Lelouch Lamperouge