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Mark 11-14-2011 09:11 PM

Jorden Hamilton (WTFBlackMagic) Exposed
 
Don't ask me what is happening to YouTube Land but some people are definitely ruining it.

Hereby Jorden Hamilton, better known as WTFBlackMagic.

Jorden thought it was fun to make the so called "WORLDS BIGGEST CONTEST", and the biggest prizes including but not limited to "JERRY'S NUGGETS" are, as always with fake contests, based on luck entirely (and for the rest he apparently has a sponsor). However, this time the contest may actually not be fake (doubt it though), but that doesn't matter because the main prize definitely is.

Hereby the contest video:


A couple of days ago he actually made a review on his so called "Authentic Jerry's Nuggets", one of which will be given away in the contest:


Now that, people, is what we call fake Jerry's. The printing on the box is way off (the letters are too small, the design alignment is way off-center), the seal is fake, the cards sound and behave nothing like actual Jerry's, oh wait, no need to list those things because... there are gaff cards involved and there is no such thing as authentic Jerry's Nugget gaffs). Yet, he says they are the real deal and he happens to give away a deck valued 200-300 dollars in the contest.

To me it's obvious he expects the winner of the luck contest (if it's even a real winner) to choose for the Jerry's instead of the Arcanes, and probably if they choose for the Arcanes he will make them vanish into thin air, which he apparently has done before because someone says to not have received their deck of a previous contest/giveaway of his, and I have a feeling the person who said that is actually talking the truth... gee... I wonder why...

Of course we won't allow this kind of twisted manipulation.

KGaborMagic 11-14-2011 09:27 PM

One of the rules is very funny:
Quote:

Originally Posted by WTFBlackMagic
-For 2 entries you must Subscribe to me, Like and favourite the video and subscribe to vjose32 and write on his channel that i sent you there

Spamming somebody like this on Youtube is illegal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WTFBlackMagic
-For addtional entries buy products from Pokerstud52 on ebay and foe every dollar you spend you will get a entry in to the contest, you must and i repeat must tell him i sent you to his store

I guess he just tries to advertise his (or one of his friend's) cards on Ebay.:mad:

Mark 11-14-2011 09:32 PM

He actually makes sure the sponsor gets something for it too, even if it is a fake contest. This way the sponsor may actually support him no matter what because they both get profit, and the kind of profit they actually want. But I guess I can assure you that Pokerstud52 isn't in on this nor that he would agree with such actions though.

But yeah, it's just a popularity stunt, as always. Some people should be really, really ashamed of themselves, and especially those who do not feel and say that they are sorry.

EDIT:
I actually made sure to comment the following to the contest video:
Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkHilkemeijer
I would hereby like to tell you that there is an exposure thread about this on Magicians: The Gathering (magicians dot cc). Feel free to sign up to back up yourself and best of luck with that because you will not be able to.

Best is just to stop this nonsense before it's too late and to apologize to whoever you have tricked into this contest and into thinking you give away (or even own) legit Jerry's Nugget cards. Just saying.

-Mark

And of course he deleted it, and really fast too.

Also, he already made sure to make himself a fake channel called 'TehRobertHD'. He uses it to back himself up, saying it are real Jerry's Nuggets and that it's a real contest, etcetera.

MeandmagiC 11-14-2011 09:51 PM

lets introduce a new word here: failrabbit xD
because we discovered him :) (I hope a lot of people do actually)

ok let's be serious right here.
What will he be gaining with this? In the end he will be discovered or somebody will spread the word and then, KABOOM, all his popularity will be gone!
I believe he shouldn't get away with this!

Mark 11-14-2011 09:57 PM

He hopes to be gaining fame, but obviously it will work counterproductive. If we have to, we are going to link up this thread to whoever is involved. ^_^

MeandmagiC 11-14-2011 10:08 PM

Lets do that!

thetophatfirm 11-14-2011 11:33 PM

Failrabbit.


DUDE!!!! that is awesome.

I am sorry, but I am going to use that now for people trying to be clever.

KGaborMagic 11-15-2011 01:22 PM

He deleted my comment as well (and lots of other comments saying that his contest is fake).
I guess now it's obvious that it is.

MysteryHand 11-15-2011 01:30 PM

What i can say this man is so f***ed !!! I really hates many guy like this. Lie people, make them not happy !!!

BenjiTaylor 11-15-2011 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark (Post 5451)
He hopes to be gaining fame, but obviously it will work counterproductive. If we have to, we are going to link up this thread to whoever is involved. ^_^

It may not be right for me to comment on this matter (based on the past), however I can tell you that once, I remember he filmed the results and I won (this was before my contests had even started) and he said that I had won loads, then he said his camera had broke so he could not ship the prizes, not that the 2 have anything to do with each other.

Albert 11-15-2011 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BenjiTaylor (Post 5495)
It may not be right for me to comment on this matter (based on the past), however I can tell you that once, I remember he filmed the results and I won (this was before my contests had even started) and he said that I had won loads, then he said his camera had broke so he could not ship the prizes, not that the 2 have anything to do with each other.

It's completely fine for you to participate Benji :)

But, regardless, thanks. That further proves his guiltiness... :mad: I hate people like him! Arg! :devil:

NathanCanadas 11-16-2011 12:39 AM

Youtube magic is slowly dying!
 
I am really upset with all these fake contests! First TheMagicHelper123, then BenjiTaylor, then WTFBlackMagic as well as many others... :cry: I am really disappointed!:ugh: I think that if he doesn't admit this, we should spread the word, have people unsubscribe, and block him and mark him as spam as well. Best regards,
Nathan

TheMisdirectingHand 11-16-2011 01:24 AM

You can help us spread the word! Don't be afraid to tell any of the newer contestants!

BenjiTaylor 11-16-2011 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NathanCanadas (Post 5522)
I am really upset with all these fake contests! First TheMagicHelper123, then BenjiTaylor, then WTFBlackMagic as well as many others... :cry: I am really disappointed!:ugh: I think that if he doesn't admit this, we should spread the word, have people unsubscribe, and block him and mark him as spam as well. Best regards,
Nathan

I completely regret the past, I can't change it but I can stop the past coming into the future and I did say sorry for 6 minutes.

Mark 11-16-2011 10:35 AM

Okay, things are getting a little weirder now. I now found this video on WTFBlackMagic's channel because he messaged me saying he was made to believe that those Jerry's Nugget decks were real:


How is it possible that back at the unboxing video the red/orange deck was fake and the blue one was said to be real, but in the review video and the PM he sent me he says both decks are authentic or that he was made to believe so?!? This is totally twisted.

For the record, that blue deck is exactly like the red one, and just as fake as well. Anyone who doesn't own the real deal could look up pictures or videos of the real Jerry's Nugget cards and the box, and could easily compare and see the ones Jorden got aren't real.

TheMisdirectingHand 11-16-2011 02:28 PM

Alright guys, it's finally time for an update of my own.


As we all know, WTFBlackMagic is holding fake YouTube contests with fake (or no) prizes at all. In addition to that, he is also a con-artist who makes ridiculous offers with fake cards. In my YouTube inbox, after Mark and Toine told me to inform half of the contestants, I received an interesting reply from one of them, here it is.

Quote:

Originally Posted by YouTuber
thank you very much man.. first i want to sorry about my bad english because i'm italian, so sorry again. i want to tell you that I was going to do a deal with him: he wanted 12 decks of my arrcos plus a karnival dose and 2 dragon backs.. to exchange he wanted to give me a v4 and a real jerry's.. I said NOO :) because those are to many decks (15) to giveaway for only two stupid decks.. and than he said that for the shipping I must send him the stuff and when he receives it, than he will send me his decks.. so my NOO became a NOOOOOOOOOO :) because I thaught that he could be a lier. Definitely I'm happy because I did not make a deal with him.. and this thing that you told me is a confirm on the fact that he is not a good person.. soorry again for the bad english, I hope you understand.. and pleas answer me if you have read the whole message.. thx again

Alessandro


Is this not the intent of such a scam artist who wants to trade TWO decks (one that is supposedly worth hundreds of dollars), for 15 of them?

KGaborMagic 11-16-2011 03:51 PM

Did he really want to do this?:ninja: That's a lot of money those decks cost!
Okay, I start to inform the new contestants about this as well.

Johnny Silver 11-16-2011 11:11 PM

wow-for someone who just received a "real" Jerrys deck, he's not very excited,lol. I would have been freaking out. :thinking:

TommySteal 11-17-2011 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Silver (Post 5575)
wow-for someone who just received a "real" Jerrys deck, he's not very excited,lol. I would have been freaking out. :thinking:

...he knows what's inside before opening, yet he still hacks away at it with that Rambo knife.

thetophatfirm 11-17-2011 05:59 PM

l:grin:l Tommy

BenjiTaylor 11-21-2011 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark (Post 5447)
Don't ask me what is happening to YouTube Land but some people are definitely ruining it.

Hereby Jordan Hamilton (no idea if that's his real name or the correct spelling but well, let's just call him WTFBlackMagic (WTFBM) because that's definitely his YouTube name).

WTFBM thought it was fun to make the so called "WORLDS BIGGEST CONTEST", and the biggest prizes including but not limited to "JERRY'S NUGGETS" are, as always with fake contests, based on luck entirely (and for the rest he apparently has a sponsor). However, this time the contest may actually not be fake (doubt it though), but that doesn't matter because the main prize definitely is.

Hereby the contest video:


A couple of days ago he actually made a review on his so called "Authentic Jerry's Nuggets", one of which will be given away in the contest:


Now that, people, is what we call fake Jerry's. The printing on the box is way off (the letters are too small, the design alignment is way off-center), the seal is fake, the cards sound and behave nothing like actual Jerry's, oh wait, no need to list those things because... there are gaff cards involved and there is no such thing as authentic Jerry's Nugget gaffs). Yet, he says they are the real deal and he happens to give away a deck valued 200-300 dollars in the contest.

To me it's obvious he expects the winner of the luck contest (if it's even a real winner) to choose for the Jerry's instead of the Arcanes, and probably if they choose for the Arcanes he will make them vanish into thin air, which he apparently has done before because someone says to not have received their deck of a previous contest/giveaway of his, and I have a feeling the person who said that is actually talking the truth... gee... I wonder why...

Of course we won't allow this kind of twisted manipulation.

He has now deleted all evidence of the contest ever existing and has deleted the video. He has also started to upload trailers for tricks which aren't his. Is that "allowed"?

Mark 11-21-2011 08:39 PM

Officially this is copyright infringement but companies usually couldn't care less because they make money from the products that get promoted. I seen people get a lot of extra views this way and I definitely disagree with it.

And what a coward for not admitting anything nor apologizing to any of the hundred people involved. :hm:
Good thing I saved the videos on my system. I already expected him to delete them. :)

Kelan 11-21-2011 09:30 PM

I know Alessandro. He's a good friend of mine, glad he didn't make the deal.

Azukinimagician 11-23-2011 10:28 PM

I just heard that he is being investigated by the FBI due to cybercrime. Got it from FB.

BenjiTaylor 11-27-2011 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azukinimagician (Post 5803)
I just heard that he is being investigated by the FBI due to cybercrime. Got it from FB.

What kind of cybercrime? Fake contests?

Azukinimagician 11-27-2011 09:56 PM

Yes, I don't know what exactly happened, but someone tweeted about it

Mark 11-27-2011 10:36 PM

I wish! But it's not true. :(
I'll keep on dreaming.

BenjiTaylor 12-03-2011 01:38 PM

He says I won his contest, If you look at his recent video. He wants me to do an un-boxing if I get the prizes. Maybe he has changed.

Mark 12-08-2011 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BenjiTaylor (Post 6155)
He says I won his contest, If you look at his recent video. He wants me to do an un-boxing if I get the prizes. Maybe he has changed.

He hasn't. You have, as you made honest apologies and such, but we can say he didn't change till the moment he actually apologizes to anyone (or rather everyone), else he is just running away from it and keeps his criminal record for the rest of his life.

That said, please do not make an unboxing video. He merely wants you to do that to prove that he isn't a fraud, which he still is. You live rather close to him too, so it won't cost him much to send you the package.

And hereby... a new contest and another so called first one from the fraud:


BenjiTaylor 12-08-2011 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark (Post 6249)
He hasn't. You have, as you made honest apologies and such, but we can say he didn't change till the moment he actually apologizes to anyone (or rather everyone), else he is just running away from it and keeps his criminal record for the rest of his life.

That said, please do not make an unboxing video. He merely wants you to do that to prove that he isn't a fraud, which he still is. You live rather close to him too, so it won't cost him much to send you the package.

Hi Mark. I did receive the prizes but I have chosen to do what you said and not do an Un-Boxing video.

---------- Post added at 09:06 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:08 PM ----------

I told him I couldn't do one and this is what he said: "why? you said you would

if you don't that breaches what I asked you to do in order to claim your prize, therefore if not done I require you to send them back or I shall submit a civil case against you"

Mark 12-08-2011 09:44 PM

Whahahaha.. to claim your prize? He never put that as requirement in the giveaway contest (plus, it's not possible to put such requirements to claiming or receiving anything you won). Therefore, don't send them back.. and have him submit a civil case against you, because you will win without a doubt. You can even show any judge this thread and they will fine his butt off. :D

Also, you can tell him I saved his videos. He even deleted the results video from YouTube. He has absolutely no leg to stand on.

Albert 12-08-2011 10:00 PM

Wahahahahahahhaha!!

That's all I had to contribute :)

BenjiTaylor 12-08-2011 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Albert (Post 6253)
Wahahahahahahhaha!!

That's all I had to contribute :)

Haha :)

WTFBlackMagic 12-08-2011 11:05 PM

time for my input.

all previous mistakes have been corrected. therefore I request you remove this forum. an for benji Taylor

you invade my privacy via exposing my PRIVATE messages. here is a quote from the YouTube community Guide lines

"There is zero tolerance of predatory behaviour, stalking, threats, harassment, invading privacy or the revealing of other members' personal information. Anyone caught doing these things may be permanently banned from YouTube."

---------- Post added at 11:05 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:56 PM ----------

also the reason it's called contest #1 is because its a new start

Albert 12-08-2011 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WTFBlackMagic (Post 6255)
time for my input.

all previous mistakes have been corrected. therefore I request you remove this forum. an for benji Taylor

you invade my privacy via exposing my PRIVATE messages. here is a quote from the YouTube community Guide lines

"There is zero tolerance of predatory behaviour, stalking, threats, harassment, invading privacy or the revealing of other members' personal information. Anyone caught doing these things may be permanently banned from YouTube."

---------- Post added at 11:05 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:56 PM ----------

also the reason it's called contest #1 is because its a new start

There was no predatory behaviour, there was no stalking, there were no threats, there was no harassment (revealing the truth isn't harassment, even supported by tort law), and there was no invasion of privacy (such as secretly searching for your personal information).

Quoting private messages is not invasion of privacy when it is used for criticism or reviews (no that your messages qualify for creative works under copyright law). We were criticizing your bad actions and the only way we can do that is to know the truth. Voila! There we have it.

On the other hand, you have not specified that the conversation you held through private messages be kept personal between only you and Benji. Your lack of such a statement automatically makes you lose your claim on the invasion of privacy, as it was your own free will to share it with Benji, and thus, to the world. Benji had no obligation to keep it only to himself. Of course, this is assuming that you did not claim that, which you most likely haven't ;)

I've got nothing against you personally, but what you did was wrong. I don't know how you have corrected all your mistakes, as you claim. Mind expanding on that?

Mark 12-09-2011 06:28 AM

May I add that community guidelines on one site, don't count for the world wide web. It's not that YouTube's guidelines are some sort of universal internet law. They couldn't care less whatever one does on other sites, unless it is infringing their very own rights. Especially since you threatened Benji, he should be absolutely in his right to make this public, and he quoted you so he didn't steal your text or anything, it is still yours.

You have had three, four, or even more "new starts". But just starting over doesn't correct anything though, and you did by no means correct anything either. Not one apology was made. Instead, you have been, and are making things worse and worse.

Stop acting as if that's Benji's fault or whatever. You are the very only person to blame for what you did, and the very own person to correct it. Yes, correcting it takes some guts, but it's either that or keeping your image destroyed for forever (and I personally gave you that option quite some time ago already and you ignored it, which makes it a lot harder for you to correct everything too).

WTFBlackMagic 12-09-2011 10:44 PM

I was unware of this forum until 2 days ago, I have previously scammed, however I sent everything back. I did it to someone called Chinwei Goh, if you find him on Facebook ask him and he'll tell you I have changed for the better. I can honestly say I have changed and there will be no more fake contest. however i know I'm not the only well know(ish) person on YouTube who has done it, there were speculations about mrdreammagic but no one seemed to do anything about that. all I wish is for to start fresh and to have my name cleared. I have done stupid things in the past that I regret but I've done my best to correct them.

Mark 12-09-2011 11:15 PM

You did not find out about this forum two days ago. I personally sent it to you quite a while ago, and your IP address has visited this forum before too.

Even if you changed, everyone is perfectly right for hating on you because you never made up for anything or apologized in any video whatsoever. That is the only thing you could do to get your name cleared, and even then it could be doubtful because you continued your actions even after being busted and could (if not should) have made a video much much earlier. Oh yeah, and of course stopping with lying would help a little too. Not to forget about not threatening anyone like what you did to Benji. You sure you changed? That must have only just happened then. :thinking:

Sorry for sounding a bit frustrated, but I really don't get how you could possibly talk as if you are disappointed and/or surprised that people still hate on you and call you a fraud. Really, you can wish whatever you want, but if you don't take any action, nothing will change. You do not seem to regret and you definitely didn't do your best to correct it. You didn't do anything at all, except for starting new, fraudulent contests. If you would regret, you would at least stop doing contests, especially ones that look more fraudulent than your actual fake contests.

Also, we don't like speculations so mrdreammagic's real name has been removed from your post. This thread is about you, not about anyone else. Sure there have been more people who made fake contests (although, you are probably on top of that list) but we are not going to post anyone in here if we don't have evidence. Then again, our Magic Alert threads function as warnings to everyone else too.

WTFBlackMagic 12-09-2011 11:26 PM

okay if I make a apology video and promise not to do anything like that again can you remove this thread

Mark 12-09-2011 11:33 PM

Depends on the content of the apology video, whether you will take a break from making contests and whether you will put the art as priority instead of fame. Also, you better come up with the video content on your own (rather than being sorry for whatever we said you should be sorry for) and you better actually mean it too, because that is not quite believable at this moment.

Our threads will never be removed right away, but at least it could get closed and be removed on the long term.


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