This is just stupid. Some of his videos are basically just takes on other moves. Monet was the Paintbrush change, then we have TOP... then the AP... then... the Brick Pass...

Some? Just say all of his playing card involving releases (which are by far the most). :thinking:

They are a bit disappointing aren't they :(

I highly respect dan and dave, and there magic and there flourishes and there awesomness. The downloads are resonable to I think as the tweaks often improve things in my opinion, but I dont buy the tweaked ones much. I have got the ap spread control and I was dissapointed. So yes they could do much better, but I think they are doing fine all the same.

D&D went down the drain since they released magic instead of just flourishes. They aren't magicians so it's kind of obvious too. :)

W-wa-wait!
They have amazing tricks as well. For example there is Subway. I can get amazing reactions with it. :p

But tricks aren't necessarily magic. They don't present it in a magical way, so what I meant is that since they released magic (tricks presented in a magical way, in their case from other artists), it went bad.

I am pretty sure they are magcians all theough they do a lot of flourishes. The tricks on the trick dvd are some of the besttricks Ive seen. But they do say to crowds that what they are doing is sleight of hand not magic dont they?

Indeed, and therefore it's not magic and they aren't magicians. It's just a common misunderstanding. It are still tricks though. ;)

Okay I get it now

i like all the tricks they did on the TRICKS DVD, but you're right, you can't use their presentation and still call it magic, i almost always have to tweak the moves a bit or the patter a bit to fit my performance style... but besides the Tricks DVD, the rest of their releases after that are just... i think... flourishes done semi-secretly( not talking about the old magicians who released their old effects on DnD, those tricks are good i think)

Brick Pass DVD is $17.95 ?!! Turnover Pass is just $5.95 and Brick Pass is $9.95

DVD is $2.05 = $17.95.

No, but indeed, it doesn't make much sense. Basically they say "Don't get the DVD, download it, it will save you two bucks! And it's easier to share with your friends too!". It's just an invitation to file sharing in my opinion. :thinking:

Just a comment on Dan and Dave- though I agree that some of the downloads can be misconstrued as "magic" magic, I do appreciate their take on magic tricks. I saw them lecture a few months ago and they showed a few flourished and tricks and said that they adapt tricks to make it more skill/flourishing based and they showed some ideas around that. I don't necessarily think that one way is wrong, but I think the main problem with these sites is that there is so much misinformation out there

One of my older quotes:
"Cardists use magic to make skills look better, magicians use skills to make magic look better."

It's indeed not wrong to do it, definitely not. I'd say it'd be wrong if they would do flourishes and present tricks as magic at the same time, because spectators wouldn't be buying that and would think they just have fast fingers anyways. ;)

I dont think dan and dave made it to where they are just by performing flourishes, so they would also perfrom tricks aswell, and be hired perfromers wouldnt they?

As to my knowledge, flourishes are what got them this far even from the beginning.

Really? But... how?

i don't think they ever have been hired magicians, they've always been self-employed as far as i know. How? i think they got skills( to make things flashy), knowledge, friends, and luck( that people came across their products and got interested in them)

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Emphasis on the cardists :awesome: